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[Jane Long]

Recall the early reports, out of China, that folks there who’d received the SARS *vax* were ones most susceptible to this new China flu/covid19.

[a fool in paradise]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccines-insight/as-pressure-for-coronavirus-vaccine-mounts-scientists-debate-risks-of-accelerated-testing-idUSKBN20Y1GZ

Behind the scenes, scientists and medical experts are concerned that rushing a vaccine could end up worsening the infection in some patients rather than preventing it.

Studies have suggested that coronavirus vaccines carry the risk of what is known as vaccine enhancement, where instead of protecting against infection, the vaccine can actually make the disease worse when a vaccinated person is infected with the virus. The mechanism that causes that risk is not fully understood and is one of the stumbling blocks that has prevented the successful development of a coronavirus vaccine.

[taxcontrol]

I doubt the pro-vaccine players will be wanting any kind of study to confirm or deny this question.

[null and void]

Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

The false positive rate was 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

If a quarantine saves just one child's or one old fart’s life, it's worth it.

[a fool in paradise]

even Bill Gates admits that the flu vaccine isn’t as effective among older adults.

CNBC Bill Gates explains the work his foundation is doing to combat coronavirus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjgbMib36do

start at 2:45 in this clip (youtube) were he admits that that flu vaccine isn’t directly so effective in older people (young people who get it cut down on the spread which benefits older people).

He then discusses making an amped up (more potent?) vaccine or CV to directly target older people (who are susceptible to CV)

(3:15)
GATES: You know, if we have, you know, one in 10,000 side effects, that’s, you know, way more— 700,000—you know, people who will suffer from that. So really understanding the safety at gigantic scale across all age ranges—you know, pregnant, male, female, undernourished, existing comorbidities—it’s very, very hard. And that actual decision of, “OK, let’s go and give this vaccine to the entire world,” ah, governments will have to be involved because there will be some risk and indemnification needed before that can be decided on.

[null and void]

The government wants to disarm us after 243 yrs 'cuz they plan to do things we would shoot them for!

At no point in history has any government ever wanted its people to be defenseless for any good reason ~ nully's son

The biggest killer of mankind

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

[gloryblaze]

...And here's the kicker. “Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus. However, significant protection with vaccination was associated not only with most influenza viruses, but also parainfluenza, RSV, and non-influenza virus co-infections"

In other words, there was some evidence a flu shot recipient might be more vulnerable to a coronavirus although well protected against many other forms of infection.

For those who understand the first sentence, is the second one really the same meaning in layman's terms?

[Texas Eagle]

This should be an easy question to answer. How many military personnel contracted covid-19?

[Texas Eagle]

A little sleight of hand going on here. There are many forms of coronavirus. That is why this one is called the novel coronavirus. Novel being some foreign word for "new".

[trebb]

I also wonder about all the folks getting them new "wonder drugs" where having clear skin and arthritis relief opens them to a LOT of potentially fatal side effects because they suppress the immune system.

I bet we have to wait a loooong time to see a study on that.

[Buckeye McFrog]

The upshot is that we don’t understand our immune systems anywhere near well enough to be poking the bear as often as we do.

[old curmudgeon]

I suspect the study is not taking into consideration that the older and also those suffering from major health problems are much more likely to get vaccinated. They are aware of their frailties and are careful to take precautions.

Therefore, since those who are older and have health problems are the largest group to get vaccinated, ....the results of the study would show just that.

If you are old, infirm and suffering life threatening health problems, you are the most likely to die.

Thus another great discovery.

[dadfly]

humm, sounds similar to another result by Dr. Mikovitz, who said that her refusal to back down before fauci and co got her targeted, “tarred” as an anti-vaxer, fired, and finally even imprisoned w/o due process.

it’s enough to make you think about skipping the hit-or-miss influenza vaccine until covid19 mutates itself into oblivion.

[bgill]

Remember, Fauci was touting his new pandemic vaccine mRNA-1273 in Oct. at Gates’ Event 201. Wonder why he’d have that out before a pandemic reared it’s ugly head?

[Widget Jr]

This claim originated in Judy Mikovits's "Plandemic". Mikovits is a failed medical researcher who destroyed her own career and has spent the last ten years blaming everyone else for it and pandering to the anti-vaccine/anti-big pharma crowd. Plandemic had so many half truths in the intro alone it was clear to me everything she said was a carefully crafted deception.

In Plandemic, she claimed this study showed that the DOD vaccination program made soldiers more vulnerable to Covid-19. She did not not state the name of the study, gave only a brief glimpse of its title, then twisted its meaning. It does not matter if a few people find she is making things up, most will not bother and the damage is already done.

To give credit to Christine Dolan, she gave both the name of the study and a link to the full text, and that is better than much of the MSM these days.

The study period rant from October 1, 2017 to September 29, 2018, and was submitted for review June 20, 2019. SARS-Cov-II was not know to exist then. It is not possible to draw conclusions about SARS-Cov-II and Covid-19 from this study because they were not known to exist at the time.

From the abstract:

"Conclusions: Receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference among our population. Examining virus interference by specific respiratory viruses showed mixed results. Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus; however, significant protection with vaccination was associated not only with most influenza viruses,but also parainfluenza, RSV, and non-influenza virus coinfections"

At that time, there were six known corona viruses, most of them caused mild respiratory disease like the cold. Only two, SARS and MERS, are rare and particularly dangerous. This study was about the flu, not all other respiratory disease causing viruses. So as far as I can tell, it did not different between less and more harmful strains of the other virus families included in the study.

[Thank You Rush]

“”Just a few short weeks before the COVID-19 pandemic burst into public view -——— Influenza vaccination and respiratory virus interference among Department of Defense personnel during the 2017-2018 influenza season””

How on earth are we supposed to consider anything valid if the “2017-2018 flu season” was just a “few short weeks before the Covid 19 outbreak?” Left out a whole year and that is a “few weeks?” Don’t waste our time.