DOD study raises tantalizing question: does flu shot increase vulnerability to coronaviruses?

justthenews.com ^ | 5/14/2020 | Christine Dolan

[bitt]

Phenomenon known as virus interference flagged in DOD study just before COVID-19 burst.

Just a few short weeks before the COVID-19 pandemic burst into public view, a medical researcher published a study on military members who got the flu shot. At the time, it barely created a ripple but its findings are now likely to have a larger impact on the future policy debate over infectious respiratory viruses.

The study published by Dr. Gregory Wolff in Science magazine was entitled, “Influenza vaccination and respiratory virus interference among Department of Defense personnel during the 2017-2018 influenza season" and it addressed a suspected phenomenon known as "virus interference."

The question Wolff, who is with the Armed Forces Health Surveillance Branch Air Force Satellite at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, sought to answer was does the influenza vaccine, i.e. the flu shot, increase the potential for infections from other respiratory viruses. He had the perfect test population: military members who were mostly required to get the annual vaccine.

His findings were mixed: Overall the "receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference” among the DOD personnel, he wrote. But he added: “Examining virus interference by specific respiratory viruses showed mixed results.”

And here's the kicker. “Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus. However, significant protection with vaccination was associated not only with most influenza viruses, but also parainfluenza, RSV, and non-influenza virus co-infections"

In other words, there was some evidence a flu shot recipient might be more vulnerable to a coronavirus although well protected against many other forms of infection.

[bitt]

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[Jane Long]

Recall the early reports, out of China, that folks there who’d received the SARS *vax* were ones most susceptible to this new China flu/covid19.

[ptsal]

Thanks for sharing.

[a fool in paradise]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccines-insight/as-pressure-for-coronavirus-vaccine-mounts-scientists-debate-risks-of-accelerated-testing-idUSKBN20Y1GZ

Behind the scenes, scientists and medical experts are concerned that rushing a vaccine could end up worsening the infection in some patients rather than preventing it.

Studies have suggested that coronavirus vaccines carry the risk of what is known as vaccine enhancement, where instead of protecting against infection, the vaccine can actually make the disease worse when a vaccinated person is infected with the virus. The mechanism that causes that risk is not fully understood and is one of the stumbling blocks that has prevented the successful development of a coronavirus vaccine.

[taxcontrol]

I doubt the pro-vaccine players will be wanting any kind of study to confirm or deny this question.

[null and void]

Bring Out Your Dead

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The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

The false positive rate was 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

If a quarantine saves just one child's or one old fart’s life, it's worth it.

[a fool in paradise]

even Bill Gates admits that the flu vaccine isn’t as effective among older adults.

CNBC Bill Gates explains the work his foundation is doing to combat coronavirus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjgbMib36do

start at 2:45 in this clip (youtube) were he admits that that flu vaccine isn’t directly so effective in older people (young people who get it cut down on the spread which benefits older people).

He then discusses making an amped up (more potent?) vaccine or CV to directly target older people (who are susceptible to CV)

(3:15)
GATES: You know, if we have, you know, one in 10,000 side effects, that’s, you know, way more— 700,000—you know, people who will suffer from that. So really understanding the safety at gigantic scale across all age ranges—you know, pregnant, male, female, undernourished, existing comorbidities—it’s very, very hard. And that actual decision of, “OK, let’s go and give this vaccine to the entire world,” ah, governments will have to be involved because there will be some risk and indemnification needed before that can be decided on.

[null and void]

The government wants to disarm us after 243 yrs 'cuz they plan to do things we would shoot them for!

At no point in history has any government ever wanted its people to be defenseless for any good reason ~ nully's son

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[gloryblaze]

...And here's the kicker. “Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus. However, significant protection with vaccination was associated not only with most influenza viruses, but also parainfluenza, RSV, and non-influenza virus co-infections"

In other words, there was some evidence a flu shot recipient might be more vulnerable to a coronavirus although well protected against many other forms of infection.

For those who understand the first sentence, is the second one really the same meaning in layman's terms?

[Texas Eagle]

This should be an easy question to answer. How many military personnel contracted covid-19?

[Dutch Boy]

There seems to be 3 types of flu vaccines.

Quadrivalent influenza shots that are manufactured using virus grown in eggs.

Quadrivalent cell-based influenza shots containing virus grown in cell culture. In place of fertilized chicken eggs, the cell-based vaccine manufacturing process uses animal cells (Madin-Darby Canine Kidney, or MDCK cells) in liquid culture as a host for the growing influenza virus.

Recombinant quadrivalent influenza shot that is an egg-free vaccine

It seems to me that the Quadrivalent cell-based influenza shots being grown in dog cells would make humans more susceptible to cross species infections. It makes you wonder about what is used to make other vaccines.

[Texas Eagle]

A little sleight of hand going on here. There are many forms of coronavirus. That is why this one is called the novel coronavirus. Novel being some foreign word for "new".

[LilFarmer]

“Recall the early reports, out of China, that folks there who’d received the SARS *vax* were ones most susceptible to this new China flu/covid19.”

I remember.

[LilFarmer]

(April 15)

The Defense Department’s total overall COVID-19 cases hit 5,088 on Wednesday, continuing an upward trend of hundreds of cases as day a Pentagon leadership continues to try to stem the spread of coronavirus in the force. More than 300 troops, civilians, dependents and contractors were diagnosed between Tuesday and Wednesday.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/04/15/defense-departments-covid-19-cases-pass-5000/

[LilFarmer]

Snapshot: DOD and COVID-19
May 13, 2020 | By Jennifer-Leigh Oprihory

Number of COVID-19 cases in DOD, as of May 13:

8,210 cases, 272 hospitalized, 3,682 recovered, 27 deaths
https://www.airforcemag.com/snapshot-dod-and-covid-19/

[trebb]

I also wonder about all the folks getting them new "wonder drugs" where having clear skin and arthritis relief opens them to a LOT of potentially fatal side effects because they suppress the immune system.

I bet we have to wait a loooong time to see a study on that.

[freeangel]

I asked about this a few days ago and people thought I was nuts. but, it might help explain the number of deaths in nursing homes since I would bet every one of them had had flu shots prescribed by their docs.

[RatRipper]

I am 63 and I am going to continue to NOT take the flu vaccine.

[Buckeye McFrog]

The upshot is that we don’t understand our immune systems anywhere near well enough to be poking the bear as often as we do.