No more fire in the kitchen: Cities are banning natural gas in homes to save the planet

Salinas Californian ^ | Nov. 10, 2019 | Elizabeth Weise

[artichokegrower]

Fix global warming or cook dinner on a gas stove?

That’s the choice for people in 13 cities and one county in California that have enacted new zoning codes encouraging or requiring all-electric new construction

[Erik Latranyi]

Natural gas is really a very clean fuel. These people are just foolish,

The environmentalists supported natural gas as a clean alternative to coal and oil until we found it under our feet in massive abundance.

Then they turned against natural gas...first, by lying about fracking and now that it is not clean.

These are people who support wind turbines that are causing bats to go extinct, kill millions of birds each year and adversely affect the bee population.

They do not know anything about what is good for the environment....they only support what is controlled by gov't.

[SkyDancer]

PG&E says they’re there to help.

[null and void]

Burn natural gas to run turbines (with the attendant energy losses in the turbines)
use the turbines to spin the generators (with the attendant energy losses in the generators)
take the electricity from the generators and run it through step up transformers to 17kVAC or so (with the attendant energy losses in in the transformers)
rectify the 17kVAC to 17kVDC (with the attendant energy losses in the rectifier stacks)
cram the 17kV down thousand mile long distance power lines, you don't want the generators in YOUR back yard, do you??? (with the attendant energy losses in power lines)
run the remaining 17kVDC through an inverter (with the attendant energy losses in the inverter)
run the 17kVAC through a step down transformer to 440 VAC (with the attendant energy losses in that transformer)
run the 440VAC for a hundred miles of more-or-less local wiring (with the attendant energy losses in the more-or-less local wiring)
run the remaining 440 through neighborhood transformers to step it down to 220 VAC (with the attendant energy losses in those transformers) run the 220 through neighborhood wires (with the attendant energy losses in those wires)
to the "pole pig" transformer near your house to step it down to two phase 110 VAC (with the attendant energy losses in the pole pig)
wire it into your house where half the house is on one phase of 110 VAC, with both phases are used to give the 220 VAC needed for the stove, whater heater and clothes drier.

Count up the "attendant energy losses". You'd be lucky to burn only 6 times as much natural gas at the power plant as you'd need to burn at home to boil a pot of water for your Top Ramen.

[stinkerpot65]

Idiots. It takes more natural gas at the power plant to burn, turbine, bump to 10k volts, transport, bump down to 240, and run it through and electric oven.

[null and void]

Not the kind of natural gas I make.

and no wonder! Look where it's been!

[butlerweave]

Too many choices ,that must stop ,LOL

[faucetman]

“Maybe switch to a wood stove ?”

HISSSSSSSS! Holding up crossed fingers to the monitor (t).

WOOD?????? Gaia is turning over in her/its grave!

BURN the sacred forests? I can hear the screams of the trees as they are cut down (but not the babies being pulled apart in the womb)

Wood smoke pollution?, not to mention all the CO2. Are you crazy?

To save the planet, you should just KILL YOURSELF! (but don’t use a GUN!)

SARC

[FreedomPoster]

>> They forget that the majority of California’s electrical power is produced by burning natural gas. More electrical demand more gas burned.

You assume the virtue-signaling morons who enact stuff like this know a thing about where energy really comes from beyond the wall outlet. Thermodynamic geniuses they ain’t.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

Sounds like a backup propane system is needed. Just in case the power goes off-again.

Propane is NOT cheap.

[Mr. Lucky]

Mrs. Lucky cooks on a wood fired stove. Baked goods prepared in a wood oven are phenomenal. A diet high in corn bread and biscuits & gravy might be exactly what most Californians need to restore their mental well being.

[dfwgator]

Propane is NOT cheap.

She don't lie...She don't lie....She don't lie......PROPANE!

[Delta 21]

Where do I apply for my 500 gallon diesel fuel tank and electric generator for when PG&E doesnt want me to cook diner?

[AppyPappy]

Convert to electricity. Don’t worry. It will eventually come back on.

They can ration electricity more easily. It’s all about Control

[CodeToad]

“So that you will use electricity, which they will shut off, to bring you to your knees in total submission to the power of the State.”

Exactly! The Soviet Union used power as a means of control. Got a little town going anti-commie? Turn off their power and make them beg the commies for their power back.

[Maine Mariner]

And as they do “something” electric rates will go up, harming the poor and those on fixed incomes. So now we need to increase income taxes on the “rich” to subsidize the poor perhaps we will electric rates based on income.

[Mouton]

Kudos to Clapton for that one!

[Eric in the Ozarks]

I love home made corn bread.
Biscuits and gravy....no.

[Fireone]

That’s what I do in MN. winter...fighting climate change, one log at a time!

[Eric in the Ozarks]

16 years in the North Star.
Yes, we burned quite a bit of wood up north..

[Openurmind]

“Maybe switch to a wood stove ?”

Ca is trying to outlaw these also, in fact it is a law you have to have a catalytic converter on them. From what I understand, most insurance companies in Ca will not write you a policy if you have a wood stove. And if you ever have a fire and they find a wood stove in the home they are not going to cover it even if the stove did not cause the fire. So far, fireplaces have not been hit too hard yet, but only because so many folks have them. But Fireplace “inserts” are considered same as a wood stove.