Posted on 09/01/2019 2:16:16 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
Your diatribe is appreciated. Would you have preferred to have the Germans to have succeeded in their conquest of the Soviet Union.
What would have been best is that the Germans succeeded to the point where Stalin and the Bolsheviks were overthrown and the Russians rally behind new leaders and defeat the Nazis.
The defense of Moscow and the defense of Stalingrad were before American Lend Lease had a substantial impact on the Soviet war effort.
Who would those new leaders have been? Name some of them.
On the day I was born, US Army and Red Army troops met at Torgau in Germany. Those Russian soldiers were subsequently sent to the gulag, simply because they had met and celebrated linking up as well as defeating the German army.
Also important to Russian victory were the fifteen oil refineries that Fred Koch (father of the Koch brothers) built in the Soviet Union in the ‘20s and ‘30s.
“Patton’s death was probably murder.”
I’ve often thought that too.
“Patton’s death was probably murder.”
I’ve often thought that too.
No. Not at all. One can understand and accept an outcome without accepting it part and parcel.
Of course I wouldn’t support a Nazi victory,
I’m in Warsaw and went to the ceremony. The Poles are quick to mention that both Germany and the Soviet Union attacked Poland. The general opinion of all Poles I’ve talked with is f*+@ the Russians.
Great post. Most long posts meander, not that one. What the Russians did to the captured nations was equally reprehensible.
Yeah Vlad, Comrade Stalin cut a deal that put the Mother Russia on Hitler’s side so that Poland could be carved up and 20,000 Polish Army officers and political leaders could be massacred by your side. Russia would likely have remained on Hitler’s side until 1945, but Hitler double-crossed Stalin first.
Congratulations, Russia helped turn the European crisis into a hot war in September 1939 and a lot of Russians paid the ultimate price for his strategic ineptitude.
Thank you for saying so.
I have to admit, that “joke” of yours made me snort aloud...as another poster said, there are few places you could effectively put that in, and this was one of them!
What the Soviets did to the Polish officers and men at Katyn Forest was evil enough on its own, but then, to an evil ideology (whose direct descendant were Saul Alinsky and his followers) to never allow a crisis to go to waste, they were probably set up at the beginning to blame the Nazis for the cold blooded murder of 22,000 men simply because...it was probably fun for them.
Like a great big inside joke.
After all, nobody is going to shed tears for a sullied Nazi reputation, whatever that was worth.
I have been reading Victor David Hanson’s book on the Second World Wars.
One Chapter is devoted to various sieges, including the unsuccessful German siege of Leningrad. He states that more Russians died at Leningrad than all the WW II related deaths for the USA. Try to grasp that fact.
Americans, even those of us who have read and watched recent British You Tube videos can not grasp the enormous, nay un comprehendable loss of Russian lives in WW II.
BTW...... The book, The Second World Wars is hard.
Variant is: A Polish soldier has a clear shot at a German soldier and at a Russian soldier, and two bullets. What should he do?
Shoot the Russian twice.
Those poor bastards were a key example, and they weren’t even captured. I think anyone captured by the Germans was automatically considered corrupted as well by default, with no exceptions.
It boggles the mind, the level of institutional depravity to treat their own men that way.
It is also a black mark of shame on us (the allies) that we readily repatriated Soviet POWs back to their own country, knowing full well by that time what was going to happen to them.
I rank that right up there with our betrayal of Chang Kai Shek, Draza Mihailovic, and later, the South Vietnamese as a stain on our Republic.
RUSSIAN SOLDER: Hey! Vasily! Check out this neat trick. There are Germans over in that line of trenches. I can get one to stick up his head so I can shoot him...watch! "HANS! HEY, HANS, IS THAT YOU?"
GERMAN SOLDER: Yah! (pops head up, BLAM! and is shot dead by Sergei)
RUSSIAN SOLDER: Wow, that's great, Sergei! That really worked! Let me try it! "HANS! HEY HANS, ARE YOU OVER THERE?" (no answer) Huh. Let me try again. "HANS! IS THAT YOU?"
GERMAN SOLDER 1: "VASILY? IS THAT YOU, VASILY?"
VASILY: (eagerly sticks his head up) YAH! IT'S ME! (BLAM!)
Hans was dead the second time he called him.
LOL...I think it is due to the fact that to non-Germans, every other German is named “Hans”...and to non-Russians, every other Russian is named “Vasily”...;)
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