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Notre Dame Cathedral on Fire
The Telegraph ^ | 15 APRIL 2019 | David Chazan, Paris James Rothwell

Posted on 04/15/2019 10:33:16 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder

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To: livius
:: if you studied art and art history ::

Music history, too. Key developments in polyphony and hence Western music are directly tied to Notre Dame. It is a loss on so many levels.

641 posted on 04/15/2019 4:36:12 PM PDT by JustSurrounded
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To: frank ballenger

Yes, well said. It is often engineers here who denigrate liberal arts education but liberal arts was once a very vital tool in educating people. I realize that it has fallen on very hard times but for those of us who graduated before today’s pc autocracy, we know exactly what a loss this cathedral is to western civilization.


642 posted on 04/15/2019 4:36:56 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

What did he say?


643 posted on 04/15/2019 4:37:10 PM PDT by nfldgirl
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To: miss marmelstein

I agree, no legitimate academic activity should be denigrated.

If they are going to rebuild, they will need people with expertise in that field.

But, depending on what is left, maybe they should leave it like Coventry Cathedral.


644 posted on 04/15/2019 4:37:34 PM PDT by Reverend Wright (TAX the WOKE !)
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To: Reverend Wright

Yes, an interesting idea. But in looking at Coventry, we know who wrecked it. Something we’ll never know with Notre Dame.

I notice all the news media have dropped this significant story and moved back onto hating Trump.


645 posted on 04/15/2019 4:40:48 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein

I majored in English, graduated 1972, and that (plus factory work) were the two most important factors, more important than medical school, to make me the doctor I am.


646 posted on 04/15/2019 4:43:28 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2 = 4)
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To: mewzilla
“Sad thing is, if this was in fact simply a horrific accident, the French government has lied and obfuscated so much about past terrorist incidents, a lot of folks ain’t gonna believe anything the French say.”

I read that the Cathedral is owned by the French government, and had been in horrible disrepair - with pieces of stone falling off etc. It was estimated it would cost ~$180 million to repair it, and the French government only have $50 million. The rest had to be raised. Sounds to me like it was neglected for a fairly long time. That is really sad.

647 posted on 04/15/2019 4:44:46 PM PDT by neverevergiveup
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To: BenLurkin

“I wonder if the Palestinians are celebrating like they did on 9/11”

Yes, they... https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/04/allah-est-grand-muslims-laugh-celebrate-as-blaze-destroys-notre-dame-cathedral-during-holy-week


648 posted on 04/15/2019 4:45:22 PM PDT by Wiz-Nerd
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BNO News‏Verified account @BNONews · 32m32 minutes ago 

BREAKING: French billionaire François-Henri Pinault pledges €100 million ($113 million) to help rebuild the Notre Dame Cathedral

649 posted on 04/15/2019 4:46:10 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
Obama's words seem very appropriate. He is a man of words, not action. Trump is a man of action, thus his tweet about a possible suggestion in the fire-fighting, for which he is being roundly mocked.

I love PDJT but wish he would sometimes not be so public with his quick statements. He's a package deal and would not have won the election without twitter, etc. so I guess he won't stop.

650 posted on 04/15/2019 4:48:43 PM PDT by Freee-dame (Best election ever! 2016)
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To: livius

Exactly my reaction, Livius. I could not function today just as I couldn’t the day the towers fell.

This is the end of Western Civilization.

Because Americans, no matter how patriotic, keep sending their precious children to the place that teaches Western Civilization is just as good as Barbarian hordes.

The great novel, “Notre Dame de Paris” by Hugo immortalized this Cathedral. It IS France.


651 posted on 04/15/2019 5:15:52 PM PDT by The Westerner (Protect the most vulnerable: get the government out of medicine, education and our forests!)
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To: Reverend Wright

I see your points.


652 posted on 04/15/2019 5:21:17 PM PDT by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: neverevergiveup
Meanwhile, a source on the two fires....

Un incendie ravage la cathédrale Notre-Dame de Paris (MàJ : deux foyers d’incendie auraient été repérés)

653 posted on 04/15/2019 5:24:08 PM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: Freee-dame

They’d mock him for saying “Good Morning!” (and I believe they have), so I care not for the usual chatter from the usual suspects.


654 posted on 04/15/2019 5:26:14 PM PDT by thoughtomator (The Clinton Coup attempt was a worse attack on the USA than was 9/11)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Out: Russian Collusion

In: Muslim Combustion?

655 posted on 04/15/2019 5:32:11 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Globus - Europa (Lyrics)
656 posted on 04/15/2019 5:43:25 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: BlessedBeGod; Mom MD; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; ...
Seriously. I also read they think there is 3 pieces of the true cross up there. These phony relics are one of the reasons for the reformation. It’s a tragic loss of an historic building though

You just couldn't help yourself, could you. You just had to go and make anti-Catholic remarks on this thread.

You should be ashamed of yourself. So why is doubting the authenticity of a relic necessarily anti-Catholic, while do you really think that we would not have many snide remarks from Catholics if the news was that of church related to Luther burning down? You mean you just couldn't help yourself, but just had to go and make a aniti-anti-Catholic remarks on this thread? Seems like a knee-jerk reaction by one of a class of RCs who cannot tolerate whatever seems to slight their earthly object of devotion in the slightest.

There are thousands of claimed relics associated with_Jesus , from thirty Holy Nails that were venerated as relics across Europe in the early 20th century to the "Holy Foreskin of Jesus," and while only relics that have been certified as authentic can be exposed for veneration by the faithful (I do not know if the wood in ND was), yet the means of determining this are far from sure.

But if you insist that these pieces of wood (22 more are in a church in PA) are authentic pieces from the cross of Christ because Rome said they are, then you have made this thread about the veracity of Rome. And thus you should be ashamed of yourself .

657 posted on 04/15/2019 5:51:12 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: onyx

“I agree that accellerants were used.”

I read from several sources the workers had all left by that time of day. There was no workers around to make an electrical spark. A dropped cigarette? I could understand if it was a big pile of dried leaves but on a wood plank??

Heard “the wood was totally dried out”. It France, not the Sahara! There is rain, there is humidity. Hard pressed to believe the roofing material was 100% water proof.

I think “some people did something”. For crying out loud! Churches in in France are getting vandalized on almost a daily basis for at least the past three months!!!

This is probably a jihadist coup de grâce.


658 posted on 04/15/2019 5:53:13 PM PDT by lizma2
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To: Freee-dame

The 6:30 pm Mass with the Archbishop is on Sundays. But according to the “Paris City Vision” site I got when I googled, there was supposed to be a 6:15 pm Mass today. So your point still stands.


659 posted on 04/15/2019 5:55:22 PM PDT by Campion ((marine dad))
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To: daniel1212
while do you really think that we would not have many snide remarks from Catholics if the news was that of church related to Luther burning down

Unless you can point to someplace where that actually happened, you're engaging in slander. Last time I checked, that was not Christian behavior.

660 posted on 04/15/2019 5:56:47 PM PDT by Campion ((marine dad))
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