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Why The Freemans Moved To Russia (Americans immigrating)
The American Conservative ^ | 0-04-2019 | Rod Dreher

Posted on 02/05/2019 8:05:22 AM PST by NRx

Hal Freeman is an American who relocated to Russia with his Russian-born wife, and their children — this, in part to take a Benedict Option of their own. He writes a blog about his experiences there. Recently, he wrote about a post I’d made here, about people who have decided to leave America to live abroad. In his response, Freeman talked about his experience, and about a new book by University of Chicago political theorist John Mearsheimer. Excerpts:

Others, not writing from a Christian perspective, have also noted major changes in American culture and the inability of much of “the public” to change those trends. In his recent book, “The Great Delusion,” noted political scientist John Mearsheimer discusses how difficult, nay impossible, it is for people in a liberal culture to agree on what “the good life” is. Mearsheimer is not using the word “liberal” in the way we often do to describe someone who holds to a certain set of political perspectives, e.g., women rights, gay rights, pro-choice, etc. He is using “liberal” to refer to belief in the importance of the individual and individual rights as opposed to, say, a monarchy or some other system that devalues the place of the individual in the political and economic destiny of a nation.

Despite the emphasis on individual rights, Mearsheimer contends we are profoundly communal in nature. We are born and raised “in community.” Society and culture are essential factors in our self-definition. He defines a major dilemma the liberal state faces: “For a society to hold together, there must be substantial overlap in how its members think about the good life, and they must respect each other when, inevitably, serious disagreements arise.” I doubt anyone reading or watching the debates about our cultural values in America would conclude there is a whole lot of respectful debate going on over our deep divisions in defining “the good life.”

In the sense that Mearsheimer defines “liberal,” the Constitution of the United States outlines a liberal nation. America was founded on individual rights, e.g., freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom to engage in business without governmental controls. That would be what Mearsheimer calls “modus vivendi” freedom. That is the kind of “liberal” thinking that characterizes the views of more traditional, usually Republican, Americans.

[Read the rest at the linked website.]



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: benedictoption; halfreeman; johnmearsheimer; russia
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To: jjotto

I don’t understand. Neo-conservatism has to do with setting up democratic governments at gunpoint in another country, not obliterating its boundaries. How is it incompatible with nationalism?


21 posted on 02/05/2019 8:44:41 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: NRx

SOME Positives in Russia...

> No illegal immigrants
> No BLM crowds
> No mobs looting stores
> No danger of getting shot during robberies
> Plenty of Vodka available


22 posted on 02/05/2019 9:08:30 AM PST by entropy12 (One million LEGAL immigrants/year is too many, without vetting for skills, Wealth or English skills.)
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To: NRx

Emigrating


23 posted on 02/05/2019 9:08:40 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60's....You weren't really there)
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To: LukeL

Heard a saying that went IIRC, “give a Russian a quarter hectare for a garden and he’ll survive”.


24 posted on 02/05/2019 9:23:20 AM PST by elcid1970 (My gun safe is saying, "Room for one more, honey!")
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To: NRx

Since this written from the American perspective, shouldn’t it be “emigrating”?


25 posted on 02/05/2019 9:28:19 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To the Left, The truth is Right Wing Extremism.)
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To: Sequoyah101

While there are some crazy drivers, it’s not any worse than places like NYC, DC or NJ in most places. I think the main bias factor is that many, many people have dashcams because of the way insurance laws work, so whenever some crazy stuff happens, people upload their videos to the Internet.


26 posted on 02/05/2019 9:44:24 AM PST by billakay
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To: LukeL

Dosen’t have to be in the countryside, even in the cities people with a decent-sized backyard garden, raise chickens (sometimes a lamb or two), and generally do whatever they want to do. Right now, life in Russia “feels” a lot “free-er” than many places in the USA.


27 posted on 02/05/2019 9:48:05 AM PST by billakay
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To: billakay

When I saw this article I immediately thought of the Freeman of Arrakis (from the SciFi novel Dune!). Shall we say did not immediately compute - Freeman & Russia!

Then I read the article and thought Freeman of Arrakis in Russia would have been more interesting!


28 posted on 02/05/2019 9:49:54 AM PST by Reily
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To: Yo-Yo

Who knows? Doesn’t change the fact that young people are leaving Russia in large numbers. But wish them well.


29 posted on 02/05/2019 9:51:44 AM PST by rrrod (just an old guy with a gun in his pocket)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

If the book was called “The Forsaken” by Tim Tzouliadis then they were the lucky ones. The book was about a bunch of Americans who went to Stalin’s Soviet Union to work. Most of them were murdered by the NKVD.


30 posted on 02/05/2019 9:54:28 AM PST by wrcase
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To: NRx
(Americans immigrating emigrating )
You immigrate into a country, you emigrate out of one.

‘Course you can’t have one without the other . . .

We don’t have a lot of experience of emigration from America, but we suspect that a billion people would immigrate into America if given the chance.


31 posted on 02/05/2019 9:57:13 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Socialism is cynicism directed towards society and - correspondingly - naivete towards government.)
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To: NRx

Russia has always been a nation of slaves


32 posted on 02/05/2019 10:18:26 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: LukeL

Then go try it. Or move to a state that doesn’t tax water


33 posted on 02/05/2019 10:20:02 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Sequoyah101

The US isn’t crowded. There’s plenty of open space


34 posted on 02/05/2019 10:21:00 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: LukeL
A good hardy individual could live quite well in the Russian countryside.

All the young Russians get the hell out of the villages as soon as they can.


35 posted on 02/05/2019 10:36:40 AM PST by tlozo
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To: LukeL

Don’t bet on “Russia” not punishing you for doing something you think of as harmless. They still have an “enemy of the state” mentality. This is a”The grass is always greener,” scenario, for sure. There is more to the story. Bet on that.

My cousin and his wife planned to buy a property in Southern France but were told, in no uncertain terms, that the property would be renovated with town approval only. He, being a frustrated architect, was quick to cancel the purchase.
Russia? No way.


36 posted on 02/05/2019 1:16:35 PM PST by BatGuano
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To: LukeL

A good hardy individual could live quite well in the Russian countryside.


or Alaska ...


37 posted on 02/05/2019 1:47:17 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Sequoyah101

On the other hand, they (Russians) appear to have some relief from our constant bickering of race and sexual orientation etc.


Not to mention that the white christian Russian population is quickly dying out and being replaced with muslims


38 posted on 02/05/2019 1:49:32 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: entropy12

SOME Negatives in Russia...

> Decreasing Russian population
> Increasing muslim population
> Major criminal gangs
> Nasty winters
> FSB knock in the middle of the night
> Being shot while at school
> Being blown up while at home
> Plenty of Vodka available


39 posted on 02/05/2019 1:54:37 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: tlozo

Those four babushkas were once real lookers ...


40 posted on 02/05/2019 1:56:19 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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