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If Air France No Longer Wants The Airbus A380, Will Anyone?
Forbes ^ | November 27, 2018 | Michael Goldstein

Posted on 11/28/2018 5:23:46 PM PST by EveningStar

“I can’t get no respect,” moaned the late and overweight comedian Rodney Dangerfield. The Airbus A380, largest and heaviest airliner in operation today, could say that too after Air France reportedly will dump half of its A380 fleet—aircraft built and tested at the “hometown” Airbus factory in Toulouse.

Like the quashing of a recent rumor that Lufthansa was on the verge of ordering another 15 A380s, this is another black eye for the world’s largest passenger plane. After all, if France and Germany, the countries that build the A380, don’t want it, who will?

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Germany
KEYWORDS: 787; a380; aerospace; airbus; airbusa380; airfrance; angelamerkel; aviation; boeing; emmanuelmacron; europeanunion; france; germany; macron; nato
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1 posted on 11/28/2018 5:23:46 PM PST by EveningStar
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2 posted on 11/28/2018 5:25:50 PM PST by EveningStar (I am a Non-Cultist Trump Supporter.)
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To: EveningStar

Yes, the Emirates. They are well positioned to still take advantage of a centralized hub system for which the Airbus is very well suited.


3 posted on 11/28/2018 5:26:11 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: EveningStar

I do believe Airbus was originally financed by the French and British governments to compete against Boeing. Wasn’t fair. Good to see they’re getting theirs.


4 posted on 11/28/2018 5:26:18 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: EveningStar

I admire the engineering to build a plane of that size, but I have never thought it was an attractive aircraft. I always viewed it as a flying beluga whale.


5 posted on 11/28/2018 5:28:04 PM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: EveningStar

I wonder if it can readily be converted to carry bulky freight. Probably not since the floor frames would add to the structural integrity.


6 posted on 11/28/2018 5:28:24 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Twitter is Trump's laser pointer and the DemocRats are all cats.)
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To: EveningStar

The A380 was the quintessential top-down, bureaucratic committee product.

Kind of like the EU itself


7 posted on 11/28/2018 5:28:47 PM PST by PGR88
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To: rlmorel

It is a little stubby. The 747 is a much sleeker design, imo.


8 posted on 11/28/2018 5:30:08 PM PST by tuffydoodle (God's character and moral nature are absolute, eternal, and unchanging.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Unlike the 747 the A380 doesn’t seem to have been built for cargo from the get go. Though the collapse of the hub system may see the 747 mostly go away in passenger service that it is such a great cargo hauler means it will be with us for a long, long time still.

In both roles since parts are going to be available.


9 posted on 11/28/2018 5:32:29 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Massive air freighters, or monster fire retardant bombers. Think of how much one of these babies could drop on a wildfire!

Probably too unwieldy for that application, just passing some gas here...


10 posted on 11/28/2018 5:32:29 PM PST by Don W (When blacks riot, neighbourhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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To: EveningStar

Limited places it can land and park (i.e. gates).


11 posted on 11/28/2018 5:35:29 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: EveningStar

AS much as I admire the airplane....It’s just too expensive to operate,
(4 engines 6 Landing Gears 22 wheels 20 brakes etc)
Compare that to the 777-300 (2 Engines, 3 Landing Gears, 14 wheels, 12 brakes etc)...Maintaining Airplanes are very expensive and airlines (Especially in the US) prefer twin engine birds.

The new 747-8 is having the same problem again due to maintenance cost.


12 posted on 11/28/2018 5:35:50 PM PST by Cripplehawk
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To: EveningStar
Seems to me that the only thing keeping the A380 alive...barely alive...is Emirates.Boeing realizes that their 747 is basically dead but Airbus,as is typical of Europeans,doesn't know when to throw in the towel.

I've flown the A380 several times...a nice aircraft for sure but I'd bet it's no better than the 747-8.

13 posted on 11/28/2018 5:36:25 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (I've Never Owned Slaves...You've Never Picked Cotton.End Of "Discussion".)
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To: tuffydoodle

Love the 747. One of my favorite aircraft of all time, and certainly in that class! A real classic of the genre...it ranks at the top historically with the DC-3, the Constellation, and the 707 lined up behind it.


14 posted on 11/28/2018 5:39:16 PM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

“Seems to me that the only thing keeping the A380 alive...barely alive...is Emirates”

I recall reading that Emirates placed an order for 40 787s instead of more A380s, adding to the woes of the A380 program.


15 posted on 11/28/2018 5:44:12 PM PST by riverdawg
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To: Cripplehawk
I think the 787 is a nice looking bird, too. It looks very sleek with that tail and the gently arcing wings...almost Art Deco.


16 posted on 11/28/2018 5:45:01 PM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: EveningStar

Must say, wife and I flew to France a few years ago on on Air France A380. We were greatly impressed by the cabin crew’s professionalism getting everyone fed quickly. Those guys had it down to a science. I have flown trans-Atlantic in Business-class where the experience was less pleasant. I would fly Air France again in a minute.


17 posted on 11/28/2018 5:46:31 PM PST by tgusa (gun control: hitting center of mass)
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To: riverdawg
I recall reading that Emirates placed an order for 40 787s instead of more A380s, adding to the woes of the A380 program.

I think I recall having recently read that Emirates ordered at least a few 777s and/or 787s....but I think that the same story stated that they ordered at least a few A380s.I'm sure that wikipedia would have details.

18 posted on 11/28/2018 5:47:20 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (I've Never Owned Slaves...You've Never Picked Cotton.End Of "Discussion".)
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To: riverdawg

Wikipedia says that Emirates has 55 A380s and 157 777s on order.


19 posted on 11/28/2018 5:49:37 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (I've Never Owned Slaves...You've Never Picked Cotton.End Of "Discussion".)
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To: EveningStar

An airline executive once said (in an article) that a costly mistake an airline can make is to buy planes that are too large for their needs.


20 posted on 11/28/2018 5:50:52 PM PST by cymbeline
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