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If We Want to End the Border Crisis, It’s Time to Give Trump His Wall (the winds are shifting)
nymag.com ^ | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 06/24/2018 3:39:35 AM PDT by cotton1706

Edited on 06/24/2018 5:41:42 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

So give him his f@#!ing wall. He won the election. He is owed this. It may never be completed; it may not work, as hoped. But it is now the only way to reassure a critical mass of Americans that mass immigration is under control, and the only way to make any progress under this president. And until the white working and middle classes are reassured, we will get nowhere. Don’t give it to him for nothing, of course. It should come with a full path to citizenship for all DACA immigrants, as in the proposed deal in January that Trump first liked and then reneged on, under Miller’s toxic influence. But it should also go bigger: a legislative fix for Flores; massive new funding for detention facilities, humane family-friendly housing, and, above all, much more money for the immigration legal system, now completely overwhelmed by asylum cases. If Democrats can show they want to deal with the humanitarian problem as a whole, and are willing to compromise on the wall, they’ll be in a much stronger position going forward than in the recent past.*


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; buildthewall; elections; immigration; trump; trumpwall
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To: bert

If we can stop this border jumping, they are paying for the wall.


41 posted on 06/24/2018 5:36:57 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: qaz123
"But, why do we focus, so much on the f*cking wall?"

Because you have to start somewhere.

42 posted on 06/24/2018 5:38:25 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: D Rider

And anyone notice that women have the filthiest mouth.


43 posted on 06/24/2018 5:38:34 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: qaz123

I agree with you. The wall is not enough. We need to end welfare for illegals, birthright citizenship, and chain migration. We also need to drastically limit the conditions that will justify asylum, provide that failing to show up up for an immigration hearing is both a felony and grounds for immediate expulsion without further proceedings of any kind, and provide that registering to vote or voting while in the country illegally is grounds for immediate expulsion without further proceedings after time served. Also, no amnesty. We were promised that in 86.


44 posted on 06/24/2018 5:38:35 AM PDT by p. henry
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To: Sacajaweau

——If we can stop this border jumping, they are paying for the wall.-—

I’m trying to get real...... that is rationalization to cover the President’s exposed rear end.

BTW, we are not actually stopping the invasion. Not only does it continue, but apparently is increasing. The invasion promoted by Mexico is being aided and abetted by Americans.


45 posted on 06/24/2018 5:42:40 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... In August our cities will be burning))
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To: cotton1706
Keeping out the next 3 million will pay for the wall.....

How long would it take to fund the wall if we weren’t “helping” the ones already here? A month, 6 Months?

46 posted on 06/24/2018 5:55:16 AM PDT by Envisioning (Carry safe, always carry, everyday, everywhere.)
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To: Robert DeLong

The “watering down” is the same reason Matt Gaetz blew up at Lyin Ryan on the House floor.


47 posted on 06/24/2018 6:00:15 AM PDT by Spacetrucker (George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to defeat the British - HE SHOT THEM .. WITH GUNS)
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To: cotton1706

The way of words is misleading.

The wall is seen as TRUMP’S WALL
when in reality it is actually a
WALL FOR US!!!

Trump is only attempting to do what WTP wish him to do.
!!!PERIOD!!


48 posted on 06/24/2018 6:03:38 AM PDT by V K Lee (Anyone who thinks my story is anywhere near over is sadly mistaken. - US Pres. Donald J. Trump)
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To: cotton1706
a full path to citizenship for all DACA immigrants

They are not immigrants.

49 posted on 06/24/2018 6:03:50 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers)
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To: Teacher317
and their births rates are sky high

Raising the birth rates among our people is vitally important.

50 posted on 06/24/2018 6:04:44 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers)
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To: Spacetrucker
Do you mean Mark Meadows?

Livid Rep. Mark Meadows yells at Speaker Paul Ryan on House floor

51 posted on 06/24/2018 6:07:10 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Gay State Conservative
Zuckerberg gets to put a wall around his 150 acre estates

Let me guess - these walls and cost of guards are necessary business expenses to protect trade secrets and vital equipment and not paid for out of personal income.

52 posted on 06/24/2018 6:16:37 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: cotton1706

Trump / Pence 2016

Trump / Fence 2018


53 posted on 06/24/2018 6:17:18 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 215.71 from 50% increase 1.2183 yrs..)
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To: DoughtyOne

Trump / Pence 2016

Trump / Fence 2018

Build the wall NOW!


54 posted on 06/24/2018 6:19:12 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 215.71 from 50% increase 1.2183 yrs..)
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To: qaz123

Let them rely on donations from all the folks that, supposedly love them so much,

We all know how much Liberal’s like to give in support of those beneath themselves.


55 posted on 06/24/2018 6:23:18 AM PDT by heshtesh
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To: Wonder Warthog

I agree. Right now it’s less expensive to stop cutting those checks than to fund the wall.

Hell, for that matter, use the funds from the checks to fund the wall.


56 posted on 06/24/2018 6:23:44 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: p. henry

Those are some things I never thought about, re: voting and not showing up for court.

So many of the problems would be solved without having to pour 1 yard of concrete. But, again, I’d love to see a glorious, YUGE wall, as well.


57 posted on 06/24/2018 6:25:17 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: cotton1706
it may not work, as hoped

Oh it will work alright. I still grit my teeth when I think of that scumbag Trent Lott telling the story about his "pet billy goat, Billy", and how no fence could ever hold that goat in, and we're fools to build a wall on the border with the thought that we could keep people out.

a) Lott was a GD liar - I would bet my house he never owned a billy goat

b) If you put up an electrified barb wire fence around a goat pen, I would also bet my house that that goat won't get out

c) Goats aren't some magical, mythical creatures with super powers. Nor are lying politicians, despite what they believe.

58 posted on 06/24/2018 6:25:52 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Three most annoying words on the internet - "Watch the Video")
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To: cotton1706
They're realizing that they're up against the wall with Trump (and the electorate) As I said, the winds are shifting.

Yup, this fake child separation issue was their last attempt to stop this train. On immigration they've already tried: racist, mean, xenophobic, uncaring, anti-American and everything else. The last arrow in their quiver was "Trump hates kids".

59 posted on 06/24/2018 6:27:29 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: qaz123

Hell, for that matter, use the funds from the checks to fund the wall.

Bingo.... the Dems have already shown a willingness to spend those funds so we shouldn’t have to listen to their BS regarding the budget.


60 posted on 06/24/2018 6:28:39 AM PDT by heshtesh
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