Posted on 05/21/2018 7:35:39 AM PDT by mandaladon
Pope Francis has reportedly told a gay man that "God made you that way and loves you as you are," apparently pushing the pontiff's acceptance of homosexuality to a new level.
Francis made the comments to Juan Carlos Cruz, a Chilean victim of priestly sexual abuse who recently spent days with the pope at the Vatican to discuss his ordeal as the pontiff moves to tackle decades of coverups and ostracism of victims in the Chilean church, according to the Spanish newspaper El Pais.
Cruz was quoted as having discussed his homosexuality with Francis. "He told me: 'Juan Carlos, I don't care about you being gay. God made you that way and loves you as you are and I don't mind. The pope loves you as you are, you have to be happy with who you are.' "
A spokesman at the Vatican on Sunday declined to confirm or deny Francis' comments, stating, "We don't normally comment on the pope's private conversations."
In 2013, Francis famously said, "If someone is gay and seeks the Lord with goodwill, who am I to judge?" when asked for his views on homosexuality, signaling a sea change in Catholic views on sexual orientation.
That year he also told an interviewer, "A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality," adding, "I replied with another question: 'Tell me: When God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?' "
His reported remarks based on Cruz's account go further, however, by suggesting he believes people are created gay by God — a position likely to anger Catholic conservatives.
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correction God does not seek to judge not seem
A (might not have been touched by the hand of God)Pope, once said “Gay OK”. A (might not have been touched by the hand of God)Pope, once said “Red meat on Friday OK”. Protestants should pay as much attention to the Pope, as Americans should pay to the Queen of England.
On example in the past 48 hours: on the one hand, he tells Chilean sex abuse whistleblower Juan Carlos Cruz that it doesn't matter that he's gay, because "God made you that way and God loves you that way," and he should just "be happy for who he is."
(Which is in direct contradiction to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, but moving right along...)
Then he issues that 10 page document denouncing the Chilean Bishops for, among other things, sending "priests suspected of active homosexuality" to diocesan seminaries.
So should bishops and seminary rectors tell gay seminarians and priests to be "happy with their homosexuality"? Or should they get them the hell out of the seminary?
I am very, VERY angry; and I think my anger is just.
[ Revelation tells everyone that they will be left behind to meet the Beast if they don’t repent and you see nothing to repent for. ]
Whatever you do, don’t call him the Antichrist because you’ll get the standard spam from someone who doesn’t understand the Bible is also a Book of concepts.
No, faith saves us through grace. This is EXACTLY why Luther broke off from RCC. You must repent and believe Jesus is the Christ. Then Grace will be given for MISTAKES. The Word of God judges us. Jesus said I did not come to judge you, but My Word will judge you. The Word doesn't change. Many today think, "God loves me so I can do what I want and no big deal". The Law is still the Law, but it should be in your heart. If I love my wife, I can't commit adultery and still say I love her. If my wife is out of town and doesn't know where I am, I still can't go messing around thinking she won't ever know. God knows and He cares.
Back to the pope. He claims that sodomy is OK because that's the way they are born. I'm born a heterosexual, but I still cannot have sex outside of holy marriage. The penalty is plain enough in several places in Scripture where even and altar boy should know what God requires. If this man is God's vicar, then their is trouble in heaven. Jesus said you will know them by their fruits. He also said "My sheep hear My voice." he obviously doesn't hear from God and is producing bad fruit.
The problem in the RCC is they are so convinced that the RCC will never fail, they put up with all kinds of error. The references they cite in Mathew are completely misunderstood by Catholics. Peter has nothing to do with being a pope. What Jesus was saying was that Peter was blessed because the Father revealed to him that Jesus was the Christ. This revelation is what the Christian church is based on. It has nothing to do with popes or catechisms or baby baptisms and any one of a dozen other made up traditions in the RCC. If you read the history of the early church, James coordinated missions and church government after Jesus ascended. It was over 300 years before a pagan Roman named Constantine made Christianity forced on people. They didn't repent. They had no change of heart. That had to be RCC or die. That is NOT what Jesus started. The RCC used thuggish tactics for several centuries to force it's power over the people. That's why the Bible says the harlot fornicated with all the kings of the earth. How many other denominations were backed by the kings of Europe? These same principles were used in the Mafia for years.
All I try to do is get RCC's to at least look at their past and see what Revelation says about them. A good movie is "The woman Rides The Beast" for a quick primer. All of it provable historical fact.
IMHO, the world has only a short time longer. Between homosexuality and murder, including aborting babies, the time has to be short. I want as many people to go in the Rapture as possible. To be left here to face the Beast will be unthinkable. You will physically be forced to give up your life by beheading to claim Jesus as savior. They will most likely kill your family in front of you to show they mean business. It makes sense to me to at least check out the dogma the RCC and others are spouting before this terrible day comes. There will be many that will say didn't we prophesy and cast out demons in your name, and He will say He never knew you. The Bible is for Christians. Lost people won't read it. Jesus is warning His people that they must work for Him to produce fruit. Many if not all the Parables speak of the Last Days and what is expected of His followers. We read them and say, Well that certainly doesn't apply to me. Salvation is simple. Jesus did it all. All we have to do is say I will make you Lord of my life. But do we?
Mathew 25 is huge to understand. 5 wise and 5 foolish virgins. Virgins are required to marry the High Priest. A harlot fornicates with other gods. Jesus has washed His Bride in the Word of God. We have been adopted into the Hebrew family of Abraham to receive the same covenant he received for being willing to sacrifice his son. This is the covenant of "faith" that saves us. Our covenant is a new and better covenant with Jesus blood and the Holy Spirit to seal it.
All I ask of Catholics is to at least read what I write and check it out. I am the watchman on the wall sounding the alarm. If you choose to reject it, then it's on you and not me. I will have done the Great Commission.
NOT TRUE! Jesus is Jewish. Peter=Jewish. Mathew=Jewish. John=Jewish. The people of God are the Jews. Esau was the father of the Edomites. The spirit of Edom is in the haters of the Jews today. God said in Malichi 2, Jacob I have loved, Esau I have hated. There are only 2 peoples today. The Jews and those that have been adopted into God's family, and Esau and his descendants. Esau even married the daughter of Ishmael along with two Canaanite women. The Canaanites were contaminated with the seed of demons that fell to earth and mated with the daughters of men. These demons have the seed of the Serpent and contaminated ALL flesh except Noah. His generations were perfect. Right after we read Genesis 6:1, we are introduced to Noah and the Flood to destroy the whole earth and all creatures in it. God made man in His image and now they resembled more of the devil than God. God destroyed all life save what was on the Ark, but the demon seed was probably brought on board with Noah's wife and certainly was with the 3 wives of Noah's sons as ALL flesh was corrupted. Nimrod was the first giant after the Flood. Nimrod was the first "type" of the Beast. He decided to build a tower to Heaven without God. God stopped that. Nimrod made himself "god" and his wife was the "mother of god". Their son was Tammuz and their daughter was Thyatira. Since Nimrod died, Tammuz was said to be Nimrod reincarnated. This was the genesis of the Babylonian religion. It took many forms in different places with Nimrod being Zeus, Jupiter, and dozens of other names. Isis, Ashteroth, Ishtar, and many others were Semiramis, Nimrod's wife.
This was the belief of Constantine of Rome fame. Easter speaks of eggs and bunnies because Semiramis was said to have landed on a river bank as an egg and started spring. She is the god of fertility. Easter and Passover are NOT THE SAME DAY. Any modern calendar will show this.
OTOH, Leviticus 23 clearly tells us the so called Jewish Feast days are actually GOD'S feast Days. Jesus said Moses wrote of Him. The Sabbath is Friday night to Saturday night, so Saturday was observed at the Synagogue. Jesus came to fulfill the Law, not to do away with it. A Christian should resemble more of a Messianic Jew than this made up mish mash of traditions made up by men. The Bible is very specific about what God wants from His people. Jesus Himself told us not to have repetitive repeated prayers. How many "Hail Mary's" and "Our Fathers" are you required to repeat? Jews are God's chosen people and Israel is the apple of God's eye. It is absolutely imperative to bless Israel and to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. Look at the haters of the Jews. Hittites, Canaanites, Jebusites, Hivites, Edomites,( the last Edomite was Herod the great that killed all Jewish babies under 2), and a dozen other "ites",and Philistines. Babylonians, Egyptians, Nazi's, Al Quida, and now Isis. ALL have fallen. but the Hebrews are still here and they will be here till the final day. God's last action on this planet will be to come rescue Israel surrounded by all the armies of the earth. When Jesus gets through, the blood will be up to a horses eye for 184 miles in Armageddon.
No Jesus did NOT come to make a new religion, He came to fulfill the Hebrew covenant. As Gentiles, we need to be with them. What you are saying sounds like "replacement theology". Christians have NOT replaced Israel in Scripture. We are "completed" Jews that have been adopted. The Old Testament is full of covenants made by God to His people FOREVER! He doesn't break His covenants, we do. Read Hosea and see what He thinks of His Bride.
I am staying Christian and Catholic.
Can you kindly no longer post to me. I am done posting to you. Thank-you and God Bless.
Wrong. Autism is pre-determined in the womb, mostly by genetics. Autism spectrum disorder (ASD) is a neurological and developmental disorder that begins early in childhood and lasts throughout a person's life.
It's not known what causes schizophrenia, but researchers believe that a combination of genetics, brain chemistry and environment contributes to development of the disorder. ... While researchers aren't certain about the significance of these changes, they indicate that schizophrenia is a brain disease.
"A person can be delusional or mentally ill without having a physical brain disorder."
How does that work or did you mean emotionally ill? You do know what delusions are, right? Ever seen the factual movie, "A Beautiful Mind"? He was a paranoid/schizophrenic who saw, heard, and experienced non-reality. He was one in millions who decided to just ignore those delusions/hallucinations. He won the Nobel Prize in mathematics, but still saw his friends until the day he died. His affliction was caused from bad brain wiring that most psychiatrists believe to be pre-determined. Do you not believe in genetic pre-determined cancer or Down's syndrome?
"Behavior is learned and ultimately by choice."
Right, but only in those who have a normally functioning brain pan.
"To claim otherwise is to say that free will doesn’t exist. That we’re all just leaves blowing on the wind and unable to determine our own fate."
What kind of hippie nonsense does that mean? I feel so bad for people with neurological problems. "A neurological disorder is any disorder of the nervous system. Structural, biochemical or electrical abnormalities in the brain, spinal cord or other nerves can result in a range of symptoms."
And then there is Alzheimer's disease which is an established brain disease that is now being somewhat treated with drugs.
You're wrong on many counts. The only one we agree on is a normal brain can be influenced by bad upbringing, peer pressure, and/or other societal influences like violent media. Then, that normal brain/mind has free will and choice. That's where I say eff 'em when they make anti-social decisions.
I can say the above from my own life experiences. I was a juvenile delinquent in my youth due to non-existent parents and hanging with like peers for a surrogate replacement, much like gang members do. My normal brain got over it and decided to take a better path and joined the Navy. It's been uphill since...
There are more queer bishops and priests in Los Angeles than all the adult scout leaders in BSA
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