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CHURCH Pastor: I miscalculated impact of LGBTQ-affirming vote
One News Now ^ | January 15, 2018 | Bill Bumpas, Jody Brown

Posted on 04/23/2018 2:07:04 PM PDT by fwdude

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To: fwdude

This pastor lacks moral courage


21 posted on 04/23/2018 2:24:54 PM PDT by Popman (Wisdom is not what you know about the world but how well you know God. 8)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
All sinners are welcome in my church. Just don’t expect us to affirm your sin and pretend it’s alright.

Most churches I know of follow the same course; love the sinner, hate the sin and all that. But if I'm reading this article correctly the church is in trouble for even allowing gay people to be members.

22 posted on 04/23/2018 2:25:42 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: fwdude
The article has some good notes, but the underlying message is that they lost 250+ members who tithed $700K per year. They gained 100 new members because of the announcement. What are the odds they made up the gap? I'm doubting they didn't because, as a whole, Millennial's do not tithe.
23 posted on 04/23/2018 2:26:34 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (HTTP 500 - Internal Server Error)
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To: Pollster1
I have a very different take on "church" than many believers here.

The community of the church SHOULD be a bulwark against the world, insulated from the wicked, willful sinners like open, advocating homosexuals. After all, there are a lot of spiritual babies there. Should we allow ravening wolves to roam the nursery?

Therefore, I believe the vast majority of witnessing and admonition to the lost should be done on the neutral streets, in our daily lives. We go to church to recharge with others who, though beset with sins, come to confess these to one another as such, and who seek the Lord's help in being delivered from them.

Then, we are recharged to do battle in the world.

24 posted on 04/23/2018 2:26:46 PM PDT by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

They always leave out the “go and sin no more” part.


25 posted on 04/23/2018 2:27:48 PM PDT by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing))
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To: fwdude
The church's slogan is now "Open to all, closed to none."

Funny, that was the slogan of a girl I knew back in the old neighborhood.


26 posted on 04/23/2018 2:28:56 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Yup.

Most liberals are secular. Some belong to mainline churches.

Religious people aren’t satisfied with liberal religion.

You can be too inclusive if you don’t preach the need to adhere to common values.

And if nobody subscribes to them, what’s the point of religion?


27 posted on 04/23/2018 2:29:14 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
...radical/activist homosexuals, also tend to be irreligious.

Not only irreligious, but blasphemous, even while holding their "form of godliness" in parody churches.

When Tarleton State University in Texas Refused to allow a production of "Corpus Christi," a play blasphemously depicting Jesus and his disciples as a bunch of sexually active homosexuals, the large queer "church" in Dallas eagerly invited the students to use their facilities as an alternative venue.

28 posted on 04/23/2018 2:31:05 PM PDT by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I had to read it twice. Rejection of homosexual behavior as acceptable is what Vicari was praying for, in order that the church spread the gospel “without compromise.”


29 posted on 04/23/2018 2:35:42 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: fwdude
The community of the church SHOULD be a bulwark against the world, insulated from the wicked, willful sinners like open, advocating homosexuals.

Must be nice to go to a church without any sinners in it.

30 posted on 04/23/2018 2:35:44 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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A still dead soul leading a local ekklesia, embracing what God has defined as an abomination in His sight. And now the dead soul pastor rgerets the embrace? Son, GOD is not mocked. You are under the Party Central sentence: Mene mene tekel upharsin. Get on your knees man, not the media. ONLY Jesus can redeem you. The media serve the father of lies for whom you have been working.


31 posted on 04/23/2018 2:37:15 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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In my denomination, anyone can attend, but in order to become a member, you have to be born again, and be able to tell the Elders when and how that came about. We’re all sinners, but if you’re flaunting your sin, are “in your face” about it, and are unrepentant, why would you even want to be there? We go to Church to hear the Word of God, and worship Him. We’re not all on the same level in our spiritual growth, but why go, if you don’t believe the Word preached? (Assuming you’re in a Church that preaches the Word.) Jesus didn’t turn people away, but He did tell them the Truth.


32 posted on 04/23/2018 2:38:05 PM PDT by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing))
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Why would you need to be careful how you say that? It’s obvious on it’s very face...homo perverts don’t exactly swarm into churches, and normal people don’t want to go to a church that welcomes perversion with open arms.


33 posted on 04/23/2018 2:39:27 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Except the little part about affirming homosexuality, huh?”

My reading of her views is Vicari is not in favor of affirming homosexuality. She is praying the church will repent.


34 posted on 04/23/2018 2:40:44 PM PDT by alternatives? (Why have an army if there are no borders?)
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He didn’t say a church with no sinners. He said a church with “wicked and WILLFUL sinners advocating homosexuality”. WOuld you want to share church service with a child molester who saw nothing wrong with it, and insisted you accept and celebrate his sickness?

But nice strawman.


35 posted on 04/23/2018 2:42:43 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: fwdude

Big difference between accepting those who acknowledge and struggle with their sin and those who want the body to acknowledge and applaud the sin.

The church is a body of sinful people who have been redeemed and are growing in Christ. Homosexuals, murderers, thieves, idolators, workaholics, cheaters, liars, etc. We’re all in the church. But we are allowing the grace of God’s Spirit to daily renew and change us.


36 posted on 04/23/2018 2:46:33 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Blood of Tyrants
All sinners are welcome in my church. Just don’t expect us to affirm your sin and pretend it’s alright.

Amen. All are welcome, but the Word will be preached. Without the Truth of Jesus there can be no redemption.
37 posted on 04/23/2018 2:47:47 PM PDT by Xenodamus (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. -TJ)
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature

Heck, millennials don’t even TIP let alone tithe.


38 posted on 04/23/2018 2:47:48 PM PDT by Maskot (Put every dem/lib in prison...like yesterday.)
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To: Maskot

Edit to add: millennials are cretinous


39 posted on 04/23/2018 2:48:29 PM PDT by Maskot (Put every dem/lib in prison...like yesterday.)
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To: fwdude

“open to all, closed to none.”

As a practicing satanist, I’ll come to your church and whizz in the baptismal fount. Is that ok with y’all?


40 posted on 04/23/2018 2:49:57 PM PDT by dynachrome (When an empire dies, you are left with vast monuments in front of which peasants squat to defecate)
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