Posted on 02/22/2018 10:16:39 AM PST by Kaslin
On ABC’s February 22 show, The View hosts addressed the White House listening session and CNN town hall that occurred the day before about the Parkland school shooting, but spread some misinformation along the way, as usual.
Host Sunny Hostin began by complaining that President Trump’s response to the shooting was “more guns” not “less:”
I was surprised that the president even after this listening session seemed to suggest that teachers should -- that the answer is having more guns rather than less. And he mentioned the teachers should carry weapons. And I just -- teachers are there to teach our children!
Co-host Meghan McCain jumped in to clarify what Trump actually said:
He actually tweeted this morning that that's fake news. What I said was to look at the possibility of giving concealed guns to gun adept teachers with military or special training experience. Only the best. 20% of teachers a lot-- which would now be able to immediately fire back if a savage sicko came into the school.” They’re talking about people with military training. So it's not all teachers in all schools.
“Well, teachers!” Hostin scoffed in response as the pair spoke over each other. “With military and special training experience!” McCain rebutted.
“He said that he would -- they would train teachers in all sorts of military styles. He's not hiring military vets, Meghan, as teachers!” Hostin gushed.
A frustrated McCain re-read part of the tweet. “What did I just say? He said “Looking at the possibility of giving concealed guns to gun adept teachers with military or special training experience,” she argued.
McCain and Hostin clashed again later in the discussion, over which party was to blame for certain gun laws. McCain pointed out that Democrats were spreading “revisionist history” by blaming Republicans for current gun laws, arguing that between 2009 and 2010 Democrats held the majority in the House, Senate and White House, and didn’t renew the federal assault weapons ban, that was in place for a decade, but expired in 2004.
That irked Hostin who started yelling, “That collapsed but in 2012 after Sandy Hook President Obama tried everything and the Republicans blocked it at every turn! The Republicans blocked it!” as the audience cheered in applause.
After more cross-talk, McCain tried to point out that a student from the town hall last night said CNN “scripted” the questions. After playing the video clip, the panel basically ignored what he said and Whoopi kept attacking the NRA for “ignoring” what parents and students were saying.
She fumed,“The NRA has to understand parents are saying there are too many ways for y'all to screw this up and we have seen it.”
McCain tried to point out that what the crowd was asking for was extreme and their tone was disrespectful and unconducive to conversation. She pointed out that the crowd was chanting for a ban on all assault weapons everywhere. “There is a big difference between assault weapons and bump stocks,” she said with frustration as the panel talked over each other.
After cutting to commercial, the pair fought over whether or not it was a good idea to arm teachers, yet again. “Can we talk about facts?” Sunny Hostin gushed. “Less guns make people safe,” she argued, claiming that “facts and statistics” from law enforcement and Harvard back her up.
“When we have the President of the United States advocating more guns, teachers having guns, I wonder where are we as a country that we no longer look at statistics, we no longer look at studies and we no longer look at facts,” she argued.
Host Sunny Hostin began by complaining that President Trump’s response to the shooting was “more guns” not “less:”
I was surprised that the president even after this listening session seemed to suggest that teachers should -- that the answer is having more guns rather than less. And he mentioned the teachers should carry weapons. And I just -- teachers are there to teach our children!
Co-host Meghan McCain jumped in to clarify what Trump actually said:
He actually tweeted this morning that that's fake news. What I said was to look at the possibility of giving concealed guns to gun adept teachers with military or special training experience. Only the best. 20% of teachers a lot-- which would now be able to immediately fire back if a savage sicko came into the school.” They’re talking about people with military training. So it's not all teachers in all schools.
“Well, teachers!” Hostin scoffed in response as the pair spoke over each other. “With military and special training experience!” McCain rebutted.
“He said that he would -- they would train teachers in all sorts of military styles. He's not hiring military vets, Meghan, as teachers!” Hostin gushed.
A frustrated McCain re-read part of the tweet. “What did I just say? He said “Looking at the possibility of giving concealed guns to gun adept teachers with military or special training experience,” she argued.
McCain and Hostin clashed again later in the discussion, over which party was to blame for certain gun laws. McCain pointed out that Democrats were spreading “revisionist history” by blaming Republicans for current gun laws, arguing that between 2009 and 2010 Democrats held the majority in the House, Senate and White House, and didn’t renew the federal assault weapons ban, that was in place for a decade, but expired in 2004.
That irked Hostin who started yelling, “That collapsed but in 2012 after Sandy Hook President Obama tried everything and the Republicans blocked it at every turn! The Republicans blocked it!” as the audience cheered in applause.
After more cross-talk, McCain tried to point out that a student from the town hall last night said CNN “scripted” the questions. After playing the video clip, the panel basically ignored what he said and Whoopi kept attacking the NRA for “ignoring” what parents and students were saying.
She fumed,“The NRA has to understand parents are saying there are too many ways for y'all to screw this up and we have seen it.”
McCain tried to point out that what the crowd was asking for was extreme and their tone was disrespectful and unconducive to conversation. She pointed out that the crowd was chanting for a ban on all assault weapons everywhere. “There is a big difference between assault weapons and bump stocks,” she said with frustration as the panel talked over each other.
After cutting to commercial, the pair fought over whether or not it was a good idea to arm teachers, yet again. “Can we talk about facts?” Sunny Hostin gushed. “Less guns make people safe,” she argued, claiming that “facts and statistics” from law enforcement and Harvard back her up.
“When we have the President of the United States advocating more guns, teachers having guns, I wonder where are we as a country that we no longer look at statistics, we no longer look at studies and we no longer look at facts,” she argued.
View Hosts Clash Over Who's to Blame for Mass Shootings
Earlier in the segment, Whoopi and guest host Ana Navarro attacked Florida Governor Rick Scott for not “showing up” to the CNN town hall...even though he was attending a funeral for one of the students killed in the shooting and had already agreed to meet with the students afterwards.
After playing a clip of the unhinged town hall, Whoopi refused to give Marco Rubio credit for showing up and basically being abused and called murderers by the mob-like audience.
“People say we should give him credit but that’s his job. He's supposed to show up,” she griped. “But who didn't show up is Governor Rick Scott. And will he take their words to heart do you think?” she demanded. Navarro responded, calling Scott’s absence “disappointing.”
“[I]’m disappointed he wasn't there yesterday. I think it's important to show that you're willing to take the heat. It's a low bar. But yeah, showing up is part of the job,” she complained.
Remember when we used to blame the killer for the killings? Yeah, so long ago. Now we have so much misinformation by MSM and the LW, we no longer know who to blame for anything anymore. We have lost our way as a nation
Meaghan will be disowned by her dad if she keeps defending Trumps position
The shooter is to blame.
End of story.
Proving the Left wants gun confiscation, not realistic solutions stemming from informed discussion.
This just hit me as I read this:
There is a war on boys in our public school culture. It looks like a small number of those boys are shooting back.
i.e. the problem is not the guns. The problem is the boys doing this. And when you look at how our schools now treat boys, maybe, just maybe we might want to re-think our current direction.
I suspect that would make more difference than the ludicrous “gun control” solutions being offered.
Is that the plan, to give them guns? Why heck, no need for that at all. Just allow adept teachers, who already have guns, to bring them in. IOW, Tear Down That "Gun Free Zone" sign.
Maybe stop drugging them.
Stop it, you’re being too rational.
While I agree most teachers prefer teaching to be their only responsibility, there are some realists among teachers that can admit that they are the final line of protection for their students and some have died doing that. In FL, it was 3 with the assistant football coach being the most notable. In Newtown CT, it was 6 staff members killed with the 20 students. In my mind, I just imagine that most of these victims wished they had a tool to use in those final, desperate moments. They might have denied such a desire when it was merely a theoretical discussion. Reality intrudes and the theoretical recedes to expose how impractical that position always was.
We need to stop focusing an one-size-fits-all solutions.
In South Chicago where bad guys with guns are everywhere and everyone know someone who’s been shot, “less guns” means fewer deaths. (Getting rid of guns is a different question.) Laws, metal detectors at schools, and other limits are good. Teachers carrying is likely to do more harm than good (they become a target for a kid who wants a gun)
In rural Alabama where the biggest concern could be a redneck-hating-nut coming to town and shooting up a church, “more guns” means less risk.
The discussion is useless unless we make distinctions between the mass random shootings and the targeted or gang shootings. And the different areas with large % of capable “good guy” gun owners vs those areas where most of the “good guys” are afraid of guns.
We need to support local decisions on how to best protect their school, not have a federal mandates and laws that make people feel good about “doing something” (mostly people who’s kids are at safe or private schools not at risk).
There is a war on boys in our public school culture. It looks like a small number of those boys are shooting back.
i.e. the problem is not the guns. The problem is the boys doing this. And when you look at how our schools now treat boys, maybe, just maybe we might want to re-think our current direction.
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Shhhh. You don’t want to say that too loud. The left will try to ban boys.
I’ve only seen a few “View” videos on youtube. I’m sorry, but that show is like watching the “womenfolk” in the movie, “The Music Man” sitting around during a quilting bee discussing quantum physics as if they think they have a clue what they are talking about.
i.e. I just can’t take them seriously.
Maybe stop drugging them.
“Meaghan will be disowned by her dad if she keeps defending Trumps position”
Not a problem, because Meghan’s mother has all the money. John has been a “kept man” ever since he divorced his first wife ( who was crippled by a car accident) and married Cindy. She is the heir to one of the largest beer distributorships in the country, in a state where two thirds of the year it’s hotter than Hell!
She shoulda looked Hostin and company in the eye and asked if their kids go to “ gun free” schools- and if they would veto armed security at those schools and just rely on calling 911 if a nutter like Cruz threatened to shoot them up.
Fact is rich liberals and their families are almost all protected at all times by armed security
Name one child from a rich lib family that goes to a “ gun free” school
Seems like in South Chicago the city with some of the nation’s toughest gun laws - that schools are safer than the streets
You gonna tell me the Chicago public schools do not have police or armed security in their halls? Have there been more mass shootings at the inner city schools that are guarded by onsite people with guns? Or at white liberal suburban “ gun free” schools?
anyone who has a concealed carry weapons rating is also trained in not having her weapon stolen by some punk who can buy a piece on the street from his earnings as a drug lookout
What is the world coming to when a McCain is coming to Trumps defense
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