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Mesa Police Shooting: Daniel Shaver Seen Crawling, Degging in Disturbing Video
CBS News ^ | 12/8

Posted on 12/08/2017 5:58:46 PM PST by nickcarraway

Brailsford orders Shaver, 26, to lay face-down in a hallway and refrain from making sudden movements - or risk being shot. He also orders a woman in the hallway to lie on the ground. Shaver is seen complying with the officer's order to put his hands on top of his head and cross his left foot over his right foot.

"Young man, you are not to move. You are to put your eyes down look down at the carpet you are to keep your fingers interlaced behind your head you are to keep your feet crossed," Brailsford says. "If you move, we are going to consider that a threat, and we are going to deal with it and you may not survive it, do you understand me?"

"Yes sir," Shaver says.

Brailsford then orders the woman to kneel, put her hands in the air and crawl towards officers. Officers then apparently handcuff her out of the view of the camera.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: danielshaver; donutwatch; leo; philipbrailsford; police; shooting; simonsays
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To: dsc

> For something remotely applicable... <

But I did not make up the whole pop-up target thing. Police academies use them, and private training academies use them. And some diabolical training officer certainly could include a target of a man with his hand in his pocket.

My hypothetical is reasonable. In that specific training situation (on a target range, not in the middle of a firefight), should the cop shoot?

And I’ll give you the last word on this, as I’ve got a Charlie Chan movie ready to go on the DVD player.


141 posted on 12/09/2017 6:00:01 PM PST by Leaning Right
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To: MD Expat in PA; faucetman
It was Shaver's fault. If he had read the "funny" YOU'RE FVCKED plate that Mesa police allowed Officer Mitch to attach to his personal AR-15 (which they also allowed him to carry) then he would have known what to expect.

He'd be just as dead but not surprised.

142 posted on 12/09/2017 6:00:57 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (don't forget to mouse your sisterhooks)
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To: dsc
It looked to him like the man was making a move.

And we're back where we started from. Make sure the uniformed jackass doesn't feel threatened when that third finger touches your wallet. Your life is at stake, here.

143 posted on 12/09/2017 6:19:49 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Leaning Right
target pops up of a man with his hand in his pocket. No gun is seen. Should the cop shoot?

Shoot. Of course. Anybody with his hand in his pocket is an obvious threat. Hands NOT in pockets are also threatening. In fact, any "civilian", at any time, may be considered a threat for any reason, so long as the cop remembers to say the magic words.

144 posted on 12/09/2017 6:21:57 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: suthener

Difference is Sean Groubert was convicted and sits in jail today. The leadership of the Mesa Police Department assured the dick head examined in this thread that he made a good shoot. What does this mean in regards to the safety of the average citizen interacting with LEO anywhere and in any context.


145 posted on 12/09/2017 6:24:14 PM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: nickcarraway

I don’t wish to watch it. From the still, it appears the victim is white? No outrage from BLM?


146 posted on 12/09/2017 6:26:33 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Leaning Right
And some diabolical training officer certainly could include a target of a man with his hand in his pocket.

Heh. I'll give you one better, that I have actually seen in training: a man holding a caulking "gun". Really gives you something to think about after the exercise ...

147 posted on 12/09/2017 6:29:54 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Leaning Right

The target was in sight for a long time trying desperately to not get killed by the trigger happy cop. Maybe I need to scroll up to see what the fuck your talking about. This was murder with a badge plain and simple. Training ain’t got shit to do with it, Pop up targets don’t have shit to do with it. A man crying begging not to get murdered by a thug is what was displayed. Cops killing/murdering their employees is what we saw. WTF are you doing discussing pop up targets. I fucking hate cops. Now even more. Nothing the roided up power dicks can’t screw up more than someone in need. Never call them unless your prepared to shoot them. If they stop you be prepared to defend yourself or beg for mercy and we saw what that gets you. If that was my kid he would die slowly over days. Citizens do not respect cops. Less than 20% do anyway. Disgusting!

This wasn’t bad training. Cops are the enemy in my opinion and nothing in my 50 years have changed my mind.


148 posted on 12/09/2017 7:20:25 PM PST by wgmalabama
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To: EBH

Wow...

:-(


149 posted on 12/09/2017 9:54:38 PM PST by SteveH
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To: dsc

I notice that you refused to answer the question.


150 posted on 12/09/2017 10:39:15 PM PST by Hepsabeth (e)
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To: nickcarraway

I don’t have anything against the police as a rule.

I haven’t read about this much. From what my son told me, that guy is a sadistic power tripper and shouldn’t be out there doing that sort of thing.

I don’t understand the guy who shot the dog and forced the owner to decapitate it.(entirely different event)

The more I read and the more I go out and about the more I’m convinced our society is getting more dumb and demonic by the day.

The media is making people godless, weak and unable to think for themselves.


151 posted on 12/09/2017 10:51:00 PM PST by Califreak (Take Me Back To Constantinople)
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To: Hepsabeth

You a troll?

The only answer to give is, “That doesn’t happen, so the question serves only to advance the agenda of the left.”


152 posted on 12/10/2017 8:50:08 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Leaning Right

My post in 148 was harsh to the point of rude to you. If I came across harshly or rude I apologize. That video really shook me hard. I don’t like cops and I am very law and order guy. I’m really saddened and angry at the same time. Wow. I can’t believe what I saw. It really made me ill in my heart and soul. I still don’t believe people can do this to another person. That a cop did it makes it worse. That he got away with it - just wow. Sick bastards all of them. The shooter, anyone who helped or cover for him I hope the have took over their shoulder for that shot back for a while but not too long.


153 posted on 12/10/2017 8:52:55 AM PST by wgmalabama
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To: NorthMountain

“the uniformed jackass”

There’s the fundamental error that invalidates your entire line of argumentation.


154 posted on 12/10/2017 8:57:05 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: wgmalabama

No worries. And no need for an apology.

This story has angered and upset just about everyone who saw it. It’s bad enough that a cop shot and killed an innocent man, for no good reason. Then that cop is acquitted of murder. So we’re all getting a bit riled up over this.

Thanks for touching base.


155 posted on 12/10/2017 9:14:58 AM PST by Leaning Right
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To: Leaning Right
There’s the fundamental error that invalidates your entire line of argumentation.

Groan! A description that you don't happen to like, doesn't invalidate any argument.

156 posted on 12/10/2017 9:38:52 AM PST by southern rock
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To: Leaning Right
It’s bad enough that a cop shot and killed an innocent man, for no good reason. Then that cop is acquitted of murder.

No to mention that the thuggish, bully cop who was doing all the yelling , and playing the cruel game of simon says, which I consider a form of torture, wasn't even charged with anything, and is now living scott free in the Philippines.

157 posted on 12/10/2017 9:41:46 AM PST by southern rock
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To: southern rock

My 156, not meant for you, obviously!


158 posted on 12/10/2017 9:43:11 AM PST by southern rock
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To: dsc

A description that you don’t happen to like, doesn’t invalidate any argument.


159 posted on 12/10/2017 9:43:58 AM PST by southern rock
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To: southern rock

I’m a betting man. And I’m betting your post #156 was not meant for me, but for someone else.


160 posted on 12/10/2017 9:44:53 AM PST by Leaning Right
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