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Posted on 12/04/2017 4:02:05 PM PST by The Pack Knight
That said, maybe I am missing the point, but I don't really get a lot of the excitement over this bill. It only guarantees the right to carry concealed in another state IF: (1) you have a carry permit that allows you to carry in your state or your state has permitless carry; and (2) the other state allows carry in some form. But most of us who live in "shall issue" or "constitutional carry" states already have reciprocity with most if not all other gun-friendly states.
Note that this bill does NOT require a state to allow you to carry if it does not allow its own citizens to carry. While it requires "may issue" states to honor permits from "shall issue" states, it does NOT require a "no issue" state to do so. There are no "no issue" states right now, but I'll bet there will be a push in some of these states to go back to "no issue" in order to defeat reciprocity under this bill. I'm not sure I like the idea of incentivizing a rollback of gun rights when so much progress has been made even in anti-gun states.
As I said, I am in favor of anything that advances our rights, but it seems like there are a lot bigger fish to fry than this. Frankly, I'd rather see Congress focused on cleaning up or repealing federal laws than interfering in state laws. There is a target-rich environment when it comes to nonsensical federal laws that should be reformed or repealed, such as:
- End the NFA restrictions of short barrel rifles and shotguns.
- End restrictions for importation of non-NFA firearms.
- Either repeal the NFA transfer tax or replace it with an application fee.
- End restrictions on "armor piercing ammunition"
“No issue” is unconstitutional. Illinois went concealed carry because the other choice presented them by the courts was Constitutional Carry. The last refuge of the anti carry scoundrels is in “may issue” states like MD and NJ.
National status opens up DC, California, and New York. That is key start. Make my NV, UT, and OR permits valid in any state.
“The NRA, National Shooting Sports Foundation, Giffords, and Everytown for Gun Safety have all expressed support for the Fix NICS Act.”
Do not like.
Whatever it is, if Giffords and Schumer like it - shun it as hard you possibly can.
This is good. Pass it!
Oh yeah!
I sure hope they get it right.
Screw the LASD, and the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s refusal to grant permits to regular citizens.
We’ll end run him. It’s decades past time too.
The Supreme Court has not weighed in on that yet. Heller only held that there is a right to carry inside the home, and did not address the right to carry outside the home.
The Seventh Circuit (which includes Illinois) and the D.C. Circuit have held that the 2nd Amendment protects at least some right to carry in public, while the 9th Circuit has held that the 2nd Amendment does not protect “in any degree” the right to carry in public.
The Supreme Court denied cert in the 9th Circuit case, so, as it stands, California, Hawaii, and the other states in the 9th Circuit could become “no issue” states tomorrow if their legislatures chose.
Its not a complete solution, but it is a big step in the right direction. Will take some of the threat away from the Gestapo states if you are just passing through.
I would expect there to be a push in California to respond to this by abolishing carry permits entirely and simply prohibiting any public carry.
The 9th Circuit has given them the green light by holding there is no constitutional right to carry in public, and, amazingly, the Supreme Court couldn’t put together four votes to grant cert on that case.
I’d be keeping a close eye out if I lived in California, though I suppose that is the normal state of affairs for any freedom-lover living in that state.
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And they might do just that, although that’s probably tempting fate. On the other hand the 9 political hacks in black muumuus might not take another 2A case for 60 years.
Politics is a scam and we’re suckers for playing.
Speaking of politics being a scam, I wonder how many of our priorities will pass in just the House or just the Senate. I also wonder how often that was the plan all along.
Isn’t it rich that an entire Political Party cannot comprehend the meaning of one simple four word Phrase “Shall Not Be Infringed”? The first word really hangs them up, but the last word really confuses them.
SHALL: verb as required will, by compulsion will, by imperative will, mandatorily will, obligatorily will
Associated concepts: shall be lawful, shall be legal, shall become, shall give, shall have, shall not, shall perform, shall work.
INFRINGED: act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on: “his legal rights were being infringed” ·
synonyms: restrict · limit · curb · check · encroach on · undermine · erode · diminish · weaken · impair · damage · compromise
And the really angry part is how the Left will fight to the death over abortion and make it some type of "right", when there is ZERO mention of abortion the Constitution. Forcing taxpayers to subsidize it and making it legal across all 50 states.
Republicans and conservatives need to start getting emotional and start using the Left's tactics on abortion and use them for defending the 2nd Amendment. Stop quoting John Lott and spouting statistics about how guns save lives. Start talking about how it's BS that Hollywood celebrities and politicians get armed security detail but not you to protect your home and kids.
California can beat this by simply ceasing permit issuance (new and renewals). Then reciprocity goes away. They’ve already pretty much banned open carry.
Well, I’d hope that wasn’t the outcome, but I don’t see how the Supreme Court gets around Congress, if Congress passes a law that doesn’t violate the U. S. Constitution.
I don’t know how California gets around this either.
If Congress says all states must abide by other state’s carry permits, then it’s the law of the land.
The Second Amendment doesn’t need to be cited, if Congress comes down with legitimate legislation.
The Constitution doesn’t say concealed carry shall be prohibited.
Oh, they will take another 2A case sooner than that. They won’t be able to avoid it as the circuit split on the scope of the 2A grows. The question is who will be on the Court?
I still don’t get the denial of cert in the 9th Circuit case. There is no way you can square the 9th Circuit’s decision with MacDonald’s holding that the 2nd Amendment protects an individual and fundamental right to keep and bear arms for self-defense, and that the right to self-defense is “basic.” Alito write that decision, Roberts and Kennedy joined in it, and Thomas concurred (because he thinks incorporoation should come under the 14th Amendment’s “privileges and immunities” clause instead of “substantive due process.). Thomas and Gorsuch both dissented from the denial of cert in the 9th circuit case, and I’d have a hard time believing Alito didn’t vote to grant cert when he wrote MacDonald, so it must have been Roberts and Kennedy against granting cert.
I don’t agree.
If Congress passes a law that states “States Shall Honor”, then states MUST honor.
A state may refuse to issue it’s own permits, but that doesn’t free it from having to honor other state’s permits.
The Second Amendment would not come into play either.
A state would have to argue that the Constitution expressly forbids a state being required to honor other state’s permits.
Lets see them prove that.
What Congress brings into law, is the law of the land unless it can be proven it is unConstitutional.
A precedent has been set. Marriage certificates must be honored. And more recently than that, all homosexual marriage certificates must be honored.
Lets see states claim that now they don’t have to honor other states “certificates”.
It’s my take that there are counties in California, where concealed carry is allowed.
We’ll see how they wiggle out of that.
I’ll admit, that wording was sure framed incorrectly.
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