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To: Fantasywriter; LS
I completely understand your position; on the face, it appears to be the most logical. And yet ... here's the rub: Trump was elected president.

Now, let's consider what that actually means. For one, it seems most of FRs best commenters are hanging out on this thread. You know, the ones who have a clue, are smart, can compose/write, probably come from professional backgrounds, are or have friends who are accomplished. And yet ... no one - at least to my knowledge - has successfully run for a major political office.

Trump not only ran, but won. Against all the deep state uni-party stooges, against the finance-media-education triumvirate, against all conceivable odds of the rabid American hating leftists. Now, was that just luck, hard perseverance, or some kind of uncanny supernatural talent?

If you choose uncanny, supernatural talent, a true genius of his time, then how does this comfort with surface level observations of discord? Of Trump being stymied and frustrated by a series of check/mate moves executed by the deep state?

To me, it appears that if one were to take your position, then it would logically follow that Trump isn't a genius, but just a regular guy who was elected to a position beyond his (or anyone's) capabilities to effect change against entrenched enemies of the republic.

The reason LS's proposition appears to be a kind of movie fantasy is because over decades, we have seen the complete erosion of the law. It would never have reached this level if periodic abuses had been corrected as they occurred during each administration. But they weren't because the deep state has been in complete control since Eisenhower. Any switch back to what used to be considered the norm is going to seem like a fantasy at this point due to the cumulative nature of the abuses.

And yet, history is not static. We are the most stable government on earth, and yet there was both a revolution and civil war. GB, the next most stable, had a civil war where the king was executed. So, even the most put upon people will eventually cry "enough".

My gut and faith is with Trump; at some point, the worm must turn.

144 posted on 10/29/2017 4:40:15 PM PDT by semantic
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To: semantic

If only Manafort, or Manafort and a couple of low level associates, are indicted, does that still mean the movie-fantasy is real?


151 posted on 10/29/2017 5:01:12 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Inernet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: semantic

I’m not trying to rush you, but I do hope that eventually you will respond. It’s Sunday night. Supposedly we will learn tomorrow morning who Mueller has indicted. If it’s only Trump associates and none of Hillary’s, does that still mean that the movie-fantasy is playing out as predicted?


159 posted on 10/29/2017 5:47:26 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Inernet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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