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Based on the Early Reports, the Las Vegas Shooting Is Very, Very Strange
National Review ^ | 10-2-2017 | DAVID FRENCH

Posted on 10/03/2017 3:31:00 AM PDT by servo1969

As virtually everyone has noted from the abundant video footage of the incident, it certainly sounds as if the shooter used either fully-automatic weapons or semi-automatic weapons modified (through, for example, a bump fire stock) to closely simulate automatic fire. Moreover, the police are reporting that he had “more than 10 rifles.” He apparently rented his corner room for days and may have even set up cameras to detect when police were approaching. That’s all strange enough, but it’s even more unusual when you consider that his own family apparently didn’t know that he maintained a stockpile of guns.

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Put all this together, and the shooting is flat-out bizarre. It’s significantly different from virtually any other mass shooting in U.S. history. If the weapons were fully automatic, then he likely would have spent immense sums of money to obtain them legally, jumping through extensive legal hoops.

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So, a person who’s “not a gun guy” has either expended untold thousands of dollars to legally purchase fully-automatic weapons, somehow found them on the black market, or purchased and substantially modified multiple semi-automatic weapons — and did so with enough competence to create a sustained rate of fire. This same person also spent substantial sums purchasing just the right hotel room to maximize casualties.

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Given the firepower and the packed mass of people, it’s easy to see how the casualty count was so high, even firing from an extreme range (by the standards of mass shootings.) This was the University of Texas tower attack on steroids, conducted out of nowhere, with meticulous planning and at great expense, from a person who doesn’t seem to fit any normal profile of a mass shooter. There is much we have yet to learn, but for now, this is one of the most chilling and mysterious events I’ve ever seen.

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To: unread

thank you


281 posted on 10/03/2017 7:05:41 AM PDT by magglepuss
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To: knarf

I’ve already said in my professional opinion that the heavy fire I heard was 100% belt fed gpmg.


282 posted on 10/03/2017 7:08:06 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: SamAdams76

Do you agree some of the parents were acting strange though? There was quite bit of oddities about SH. That said, I’m not disputing that it happened. I just remember reading all kinds of things on the internet at the time and seeing interviews that did not add up.


283 posted on 10/03/2017 7:17:36 AM PDT by kelly4c
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To: alloysteel
This guy was an accountant. Doesn't seem unusual to accumulate some wealth by knowing how not to waste your money, like many people do.

He had to have some money from somewhere to live in a $400,000 dollar home in Mesquite.

And to buy so many guns and ammo.

Maybe he wouldn't be considered "rich" but he had some bucks.

284 posted on 10/03/2017 7:17:50 AM PDT by HotHunt
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

One thing I’m thinking is this: people who call for gun control are hypocrites if they oppose the Border Wall at the same time.


Thanks! Using that!


285 posted on 10/03/2017 7:20:44 AM PDT by Yaelle (Socialism, faithfully implemented, delivers anguish and devastation. - President Trump)
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To: servo1969

If a stockpile of weapons is an indicator of a possible maniac, then a lot of people are in trouble. An elderly gentleman I know has over 100 weapons, none of which he fires and most of which are highly collectible. Many are antiques but a good number are revolvers that date from early 50’s through early 90’s. However, he does have several military weapons from WW1, WW2, Korea and Vietnam, including a M-1 and AR just to round out his collection. Guess I’ll have to turn him in to authorities if gun control libs have their way.


286 posted on 10/03/2017 7:27:14 AM PDT by Boomer One ( ToUsesn)
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To: magglepuss

What?? Did you just call Sam a SJW?? Kind of destroys your argument / hold on reality, doesn’t it?


287 posted on 10/03/2017 7:28:12 AM PDT by Yaelle (Socialism, faithfully implemented, delivers anguish and devastation. - President Trump)
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To: knarf

The guy was a high roller and almost certainly a net big loser. Casino hotels always have rooms for those folks. Begs the question...where did he get his money?
I note people talking about the guy winning money in Vegas. That’s not how it works.


288 posted on 10/03/2017 7:31:27 AM PDT by 91B40
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To: rodguy911

Ok, thanks for the total chills running down my arms now. Your link, the comments... scary sh*t. That makes more sense than a retired millionaire loner coming up with this on his own...


289 posted on 10/03/2017 7:32:50 AM PDT by Yaelle (Socialism, faithfully implemented, delivers anguish and devastation. - President Trump)
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To: Bulwyf

How do we tackle/debunk these claims of multiple shooters? Any firearms experts please comment. https://t.co/MLBLqHZcLw— Paul Joseph Watson (@PrisonPlanet) October 3, 2017

Alert this video is very upsetting. A taxi driver has video tapped the shooting!!! Must listen.


290 posted on 10/03/2017 7:33:13 AM PDT by STARLIT (Draining the Swamp includes Draining the Sewer.)
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To: NIKK

Please be alerted the video I posted is VERY upsetting be real. The taxi picks up people from the show.


291 posted on 10/03/2017 7:43:10 AM PDT by STARLIT (Draining the Swamp includes Draining the Sewer.)
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To: yldstrk

Everyone focuses, perhaps as they should, on the 59 killed, but what makes this shooting different is the large number of people wounded. As you say, 600 were shot, some perhaps multiple times. And he must of missed as well. That’s an awful lot of lead going downrange. It is hard to imagine how he managed to pull this off, reloading, switching rifles, etc.


292 posted on 10/03/2017 7:55:04 AM PDT by hanamizu
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To: servo1969

Serious inconsistencies bump for later....


293 posted on 10/03/2017 7:57:37 AM PDT by indthkr
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To: NIKK
Alert this video is very upsetting. A taxi driver has video tapped the shooting!!! Must listen.

Best audio I've heard... definitely sounds like a single shooter, multiple weapons.
294 posted on 10/03/2017 7:59:05 AM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: Vlad The Inhaler

Friends of mine bought something similar at a gun show once. I thought..”How stupid!”

Weeks later I asked how well they worked. Both said “they did not work worth a ****. A waste of money.”


295 posted on 10/03/2017 7:59:09 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: ncalburt

The old gal’s x-husband lives about thirty miles from here. Already the news media is camped outside his door.


296 posted on 10/03/2017 8:01:51 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Lady Heron; knarf; Terry Mross
two shooters

I thought that also until I found about a half dozen twitter feeds and youtube/live leak videos.

The distinct "two guns firing" is actually one gun, with two different sounds: 1) The initial "BANG" when a bullet leaves the barrel, and 2) about 30 feet out front, the bullet goes supersonic, and you hear a "crack/snap".

There are two (2) videos I'll try to post that makes it clear that it is one, and only one gun firing making both the boom and then the crack.

There is also an air foil/vortex behind the bullet that makes the "whizzz/buzz" sound as it goes by.

Then of course there is the ominous "Thwack" sound that is terrible to hear: when a high velocity bullet hits flesh and creates the hydrostatic tissue damage.

297 posted on 10/03/2017 8:02:47 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!)
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To: servo1969

MK Ultra, anybody?


298 posted on 10/03/2017 8:06:26 AM PDT by Kenton
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To: servo1969

CNN has the answer. Are you sitting down? Hold on to your seat because here’s the answer. CNN said this morning that you have to have a permit to buy weapons on the black market. There. Now all the feds have to do is find some dude in the black market gun trade and get his well kept records.


299 posted on 10/03/2017 8:07:12 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: Bulwyf
I have a clip made in a cab that REALLY ... the auto shots slow down a bit before ending the volley .... like a hand crank gatling.

I'm not saying WHAT gun might be involved, but damned sure we ain't gettin' correct data.

300 posted on 10/03/2017 8:07:59 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true.)
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