Posted on 09/23/2017 4:03:36 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper
Now THERE is a bit of art worthy of having red enamel thrown on it.
This pope reaffirms my decision to leave the Catholic Church.
Mr. Bergoglio is a heretic and an apostate and he should be removed from office and then excommunicated as he deserves.
Instead he’ll probably be made a saint after he dies because of all the great things he did for homosexuals and Muslims.
bkmk
As a conservative Catholic, for now at least, I demand it!!!
No way on God’s green earth, did Pope Benedict NEED to retire!
The fix was in here on this!!
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I do believe it will be brought back to what it was,the earth prior to the fall. Good news, even any possible issues as you have mentioned will be gone as well.
Leaving the Catholic Church is ill-considered. If the Pope damages the Church via heresy, do you heal the Church via abandonment?
Ping
The Guardian Angel Cathedral in Las Vegas has a mural of naked flying men above the altar, reminds me of that. Very similar to the painting in the movie “Around the World in 80 Days” with Jackie Chan.
Well the Catholic Churches have mega relics and statues depicting nakedness and death. ....which they call art or veneration pieces. It’s really quite disgusting over all. ..and why some think they’re a death cult because of the copses and body parts they frame, encapsulate, and bow before.
But your not going to change this because they make lots of money transporting these around the world for that purpose.
wacko
Touchy....
I was commenting on disgusting modernist art, from the 1960’s and later.
Saints relics are not appealing to all. The relics are a reminder of beloved souls who have gone before us to their eternal reward. But like you said, old bones, hair, nails, or dried blood are somewhat revolting to see.
For example, in Louisville at St. Martin of Tours Catholic church there are two complete skeletons of two Roman Centurians, Magnus and Bonosa, who were sent out to round up the early Christians for martyrdom. But they converted and were executed themselves around 200 AD. What is amazing to see about the relics is how short they were, about 4.5’ tall. As a Catholic their relics reminded me that the Church is a continuous family of believers, friends of Jesus Christ, lovers of both God and man, from the Apostles down to the current day.
Of course, seeing the saints after they receive their glorified bodies will be so awesome, all these relics will be gone.
The veneration of relics might be revolting if viewed from a pure anatomical point of view. But there have been many miracles associated with them. Much like the woman who was healed by merely touching the hem of His garment. It is all the Grace of Jesus Christ, yet even so, He takes delight in bringing about healings that are associated with His closest friends. Not because they are distinct from Him, but because their Christian example was heroic, and we are called to imitate them, as their perfect Charity is the one virtue that Jesus Christ expects of us, more than any other virtue.
In the realm of learning, some people are more auditory learners, others are more visual, some really benefit from tactile experiences. Saints relics as far as I am concerned are nice reminders that I belong to the family of God. It is no different than when my beloved Grandfather’s effects were being distributed, my mom asked if I wanted his professional engineering certificate, which was in a handsome metal frame. I got all choked up reading the certificate, as I was one of a few of his grandchildren who had gone on to become an engineer. It was a stupid little piece of paper, but it brought to mind so many memories. As I pray my way through this life, I have been blessed with the company of the Holy Family and many of my favorite and patron saints. If I were to obtain a little piece of thread or chip of bone that was associated with any of them, I would be happy to have such relics, even if someone else might think it silly.
For example, I was blessed to have the opportunity to visit Notre Dame Cathedral this last June. Being a first Friday, we had the opportunity to pray before THE Crown of Thorns. You know, the one that Jesus Christ wore on the Cross. It was displayed behind a sheet of red glass about five feet from where we knelt. It is only a bunch of twisted vines, most of the thorns have been broken off and shared (~70) with other Catholic churches throughout the world. But it was a very poignant moment for me. He worn that crown for me, He died for me alone, it was my sins that put Him to death. And there I was mere feet away from that horrible item of torture that He wore out of love for me. The Crown of Thorns is another Catholic relic, some might say we don’t need to see it or kiss it or contemplate in its presence, but for me it was a truly blessed moment.
“It wouldn’t fix everything, but if I had the chance, I’d hand the Pope a Bible with the strong suggestion that he read it.”
Or nail 95 points of correction to his door.
People ‘choose’ where they put their faith....be it in something they 'believe' has power... they ‘touch’ or what they ‘see’....in order to create an anticipated experience by such an attachment,... or something more than the sufficiency of Jesus Christ and what he has accomplished...... Yet Jesus said “Blessed” are those who believe without seeing. .and that our faith is increased in this manner ...”Faith comes by hearing and hearing the word of God”.....
Relic worship/venerating isn't necessary....in fact as you said, with dismembered body parts, it certainly can be seen as ‘revolting’......and I'll add health risks. For the Christian faith I practice to even think there is power in dismembered body parts is like believing ‘in channeling’... practiced by soothsayers/magicians and their lot.
Not a single Catholic, qua Catholic, venerates the dead. All of the saints are alive in Christ, they have survived as St. Augustine puts it, the second death. Catholics are forbidden from praying to deceased relatives and friends since they may not be in heaven. But canonized saints are in the glory of the beautific vision, wrapt in the unimaginable Love of God. Any Grace we receive through their intercession comes from Jesus Christ. The Communion of Saints is a lovely thing. We get to participate in God’s gift giving. Much like human parents get to participate in bringing a new person into being and into eternity from nothing.
The miracles associated with holy relics, whether it be things associated with saints such as clothing or articles or bits of their bodies is undeniable, often unexpected. If one’s reality involves denying this reality, what type of reality is it? There is also the problem of incorruptibles. Why does God preserve some of his saints bodies incorrupt? Why is St. Jacinta incorrupt? Why is St. Rita de Cassius incorrupt? Why was the heart of St. Joan of Arc found incorrupt in the ashes? Or the tongue of St. Edward the Confessor only? What is God trying to tell us? One can deny such things, but they do exist, and such denial is again someone’s safe little reality that is not real.
It really doesn’t matter what fluff stories any religion attaches to these....the fact these are unburied dead skeleton remains and decayed dismembered body parts cannot be denied..... How people choose to prevent burial, regardless of what religion, and what rituals they practice ‘believing’ that these body parts have some sort of mystical power or holy part in their worship is, as mentioned prior, well known among Haitians, Pagan tribes in Africa, soothsayers and the like.
This is not something Jesus practiced nor did he encourage us to do so.
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