Amazon Caught Selling Illegal FULL AUTO Gun Parts in ATF Sting

Newstarget ^ | September 14, 2017 | Mike Adams

[Ancesthntr]

In addition to the fact that Amazon.com is now the world’s largest marketplace of contaminated, untested dietary supplements and food, a Natural News investigation confirms that Amazon.com has rolled out a “gun-running” sting operation to get its own customers charged with felony crimes by the ATF.

Amazon.com, which has always prohibited the sale of firearms, has been openly selling a Glock-compatible full auto conversion device that turns a pistol into a fully automatic weapon. We are not linking to the purchase page for the simple reason that Amazon.com is running a trap, and we don’t want anyone to accidentally fall into that trap and end up spending 10 years in federal prison for buying this device from Amazon.

This device, for sale on Amazon.com for a mere $68 and described as an “Airsoft” accessory, is part of a sting operation where Amazon.com is attempting to entrap its own customers so that they can be raided by the ATF and charged with felony crimes for illegally possessing class-III (full auto) firearms conversion devices, which are strictly prohibited under federal law unless you complete an exhaustive application and approval process with the ATF.

[Ancesthntr]

“Please do not attack other FR members.”

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Did you see what Sparklite2 did in Post #3? My response in #6 was simply that - a response.

[sparklite2]

Let's  do an instant replay on that, shall we?  I posted

Amazon.com is now the world’s largest marketplace of contaminated, untested dietary supplements and food

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So’s your old man.

Now you'll notice I quoted from the article, indicating that the response was not to you, but to the author of the article.

Additionally, comments that reply to the #1 post of an article are seldom directed to the poster of the article personally.

Now, So's your old man is, IMO, an adequate response to  the unnecessary, idiotic comment about Amazon, especially coming from a dude that markets vitamins supplements galore on his website. When someone says So's your old man, they are deliberately putting as little effort into refuting your statement as you did making it.

And that's all I'll say about that.

[Ancesthntr]

“ighten up Francis.”

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Maybe you should tell that to Sparklite2, also.

And keep your condescending attitude to yourself.

[Ancesthntr]

“Have you got a source for that? That is a very slippery slope.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act#Parts_associated_with_NFA_items

See item 2.2, part of which says:

“Silencers and machine guns are the most heavily regulated. For example, in Ruling 81-4, ATF declared that any AR-15 Drop-in Auto-Sear (DIAS) made after November 1, 1981 is itself a machine gun, and is therefore subject to regulation.[11] While this might seem to mean that pre-1981 sears are legal to possess without registration, ATF closes this loophole in other publications, stating, “Regardless of the date of manufacture of a drop in auto sear, possession of such a sear and certain M-16 fire control parts is possession of a machinegun as defined by the NFA. Specifically, these parts are listed as “(a) combination(s) of parts” designed “Solely and exclusively” for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun and are a machinegun as defined in the NFA.” ATF machinegun technology letters written between 1980 and 1996 by Edward M. Owen – the then-chief of the ATF technology division defined “solely and exclusively” in all of his published and unpublished machinegun rulings with specific non-ambiguous language.[12]”

Also, Google “batfe charges for NFA violations for ownership of full auto kits” and you’ll get a whole list of interesting reading.

The whole point of this article is that the BATFE has ALWAYS over-reached WRT the ‘34 NFA and alleged violations thereof. This is, apparently, yet another example (if you believe the article).

[Ancesthntr]

“If that’s the case, than there’s a high likelihood that this was an ATF trap from the get-go.”

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That’s kind of the point of the article.

[Ancesthntr]

“A bit misleading - this item is not sold by, NOR shipped by Amazon. It is at 3rd Party seller - an outfit named “Military Base”.”

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The whole point of my posting this is to warn everyone reading it NOT to buy such a kit...because, regardless of who posted the ad, it is illegal under US law and you will face a world of trouble if it is a sting (or even if it isn’t, and BATFE finds out about it and gets a warrant for the names, etc. of all purchasers). My goal here is to keep my fellow FReepers out of the klink.

[Ancesthntr]

“Why buy the part when you can just fashion one yourself with a drimel-style tool. Anyone with any google skills can conjure up the correct information (spirits). Even if the part was made with cheap pot-metal it would probably work for a single magazine. I would not want a full auto pistol - the way a pistol rises up would waste the ammo - better to single squeeze each round and adjust your fire.”

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1. Not everyone has the skills or tools, nor necessarily wants to acquire them.

2. I also wouldn’t want a full auto pistol - I don’t really see the point in the thing, for the very reasons you cited...but that’s me - for others, the acronym “YMMV” probably applies.

[Ancesthntr]

Fine, I accept your explanation, and withdraw my prior response to your post.

[Ancesthntr]

See #44.

[PhiloBedo]

Don’t even joke about having full-auto parts....just ask David Koresh.

[Salvation]

I don’t like Amazon at all for various reasons.

[Sylvester McMonkey McBean]

Don’t forget the now rescinded 2004 ruling that a shoestring is a machine gun opinion from the ATF, classifying pot scrubbers as silencers, and the recent on again/off again/on again ruling for the SIG brace to be fired from the shoulder.

A law enforcement as schizophrenic as the ATF should probably have their budget cut by at least 1/2.

[Red Steel]

I’ll answer although you know the essence of the answer. I’ve observed it’s been a disinformation operation going on for many years in partnership with a willing liberal media and government. Because guns are “icky” (liberal press). The height or zenith of it was during the Clinton Administration. Usually a perp is caught doing something illegal, and they add on or talk up “parts” in the press as that is another charge, which wouldn’t be part of any prosecution or conviction. The object is to mislead the public. A trigger, or safety, or disconnector by itself are not illegal to own according to no known federal statute.

For example, if some ‘weapons genius’ made an automatic firearm into using only simple springs ,wire, nail, hammer, and metal tube would owning those items be illegal? No, but putting them together into a functioning automatic firearm would be illegal if unregistered, excluding the NFA item DIAS that the poster above used as an example.

The law state something like this: an automatic firearm is, with a single pull of the trigger leads to firing two or more shots or discharges.

[i_robot73]

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Constructive possession, having the parts even if not assembled gets you an ATF visit.

I wonder how they reconcile selling threaded pipes and Ammonium 34-0-0
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A: If/when they want you in jail, they will be able to pull a SLEW of ‘crimes’ to charge you with; if you never purchased the 2 so noted.

Not as if we have a Constitutional Republic and inalienable Rights, let alone some Rights specifically stated govt shall not ‘touchy-touchy’.

[i_robot73]

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“and mere possession of such a kit, even if you don’t use it to actually convert a Glock, is illegal.”
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Have you got a source for that? That is a very slippery slope.
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No offense, but atrocious how quickly some have conceded the Leftist tactics and language.

“Shall not be infringed” voids the whole need for ‘sources’, let alone *LICENSE*, BATF, Schedule XYZ a/o any other unlawful edict\rule\regulation\’law’...

20K+ infringements and as many more the Totalitarians can muster, while the (R)\(C) go threading a needle through a gnats @sshole on ‘technicalities’ instead of starting @ Step\Debate point #1: by what authority?

[Do_Tar]

From the ATF.gov site: 26 U.S.C. § 5845(b) For the purposes of the National Firearms Act the term Machinegun means: Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger ​ The frame or receiver of any such weapon ​ Any part designed and intended solely and exclusively or combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, or Any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.

[Polynikes]

“I think you mean Constructive INTENT”

Nope possession. Here is a case from Florida
https://blog.princelaw.com/2009/09/01/florida-man-arrested-for-constructive-possession-of-an-sbr/

From the article:
Constructive Possession exists when a person knowingly has the power and intention at a given time to exercise dominion and control over an object, either directly or through others. US v. Turnbough, 1997 U.S. App. LEXIS 11886, *6. The government may establish constructive possession by demonstrating that the defendant exercised ownership, dominion or control over the premises in which the contraband is concealed.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

I’ve got a copy of an old VCR tape made years ago to try and convince the SCOTUS that any semi-auto can be converted to full auto.
Using a shoestring;
A glued on piece of piano wire;
A slight modification of hammer.
Wonder if having that information will soon be banned.Copied it to DVD. Hid somewhere within fifteen miles of here.

[lavaroise]

They already had the NSA forward info to Australia on people buying “oil-trap” adapters... which were used to convert a oil filter into a silencer.

[jy8z]

My goal here is to keep my fellow FReepers out of the klink.

So you think your fellow FReepers are a bunch of weak-kneed non-thinking sheeple about their firearms that we need saving?

I think not.