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To: Ace's Dad

Vague generalities based upon nothing specific to these two “accidents”.

WHO were the EXACT people who screwed up on each of these ships. Once that is known (it almost certainly already is) then attempt to figure out WHY they screwed up.

Somebody or something or some class of navy personnel is being protected, IMHO.


4 posted on 08/28/2017 10:33:56 PM PDT by House Atreides (Send BOTH Hillary & Bill to prison.)
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To: House Atreides

How do we know that the two ships were not deliberately rammed as they were presumably passing or being passed at close range?


8 posted on 08/28/2017 10:45:00 PM PDT by Paladin2 (No spelchk nor wrong word auto substition on mobile dev. Please be intelligent and deal with it....)
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To: House Atreides

HA, I think you are missing the point of the article. While specific individuals will be relieved of their duties, the two accidents are symptoms of a larger problems.

1) The Navy is no longer properly training surface ship officers and enlisted. They show up on board not prepared to do thier jobs properly.

2) The surface ships are poorly maintained due to funding issues that the air warfare and submarine forces refused to accept.

They are both valid points, which contribute to the “why” you seek. Military and naval leaders have chosen to sacrifice training and readiness in favor of procurement of new systems. They same thing happened during the Carter years.


14 posted on 08/28/2017 11:23:33 PM PDT by drop 50 and fire for effect ("Work relentlessly, accomplish much, remain in the background, and be more than you seem.)
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To: House Atreides

I always look for what is not being talked about by the relevant authorities. Specifically, were human eyes on watch at the time of the collision(s) and where were they stationed on the ship? Perhaps the policy makers and top commanders think the public will accept ‘vague generalities’ about training, operational tempo, etc. We have seen 17 or so young American sailors lose their lives in the last four months in similar circumstances. I believe the proximate cause is to be found in the factual details.


43 posted on 08/29/2017 4:46:49 AM PDT by dogcaller
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To: House Atreides
WHO were the EXACT people who screwed up on each of these ships.

These types of mishaps are rarely the result of one person or procedure going wrong but rather several systems and procedures degrading over time until finally the inevitable happens.

In Navy aviation maintenance, we talk about the "holes in Swiss cheese lining up."

49 posted on 08/29/2017 5:24:08 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: House Atreides

hmmm ring knockers?


51 posted on 08/29/2017 5:30:11 AM PDT by rolling_stone (coming attraction...)
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