Posted on 08/15/2017 2:18:41 PM PDT by Hadean
They’re going to destroy property anyway. Getting out there and in their faces just gives them the opportunity to spin it as YOUR fault, and to link you to the neo nazis/white nationalists, etc. And the media will be glad to report it that way.
What is the actual doctrine and goals of the “White Nationalists”?
I guess you missed the Friday night event where Anitfa was massively outnumbered and there was no violence, no property destruction.
I suppose specific definitions are realistically pointless but seems to me “White Seperatists” would be folks who want their own nation with no other races (or few). In the same vein “White Supremacists” would be sort of like the opposite of what we currently have, preference for whites, a certain “hesitation” to prosecute whites, etc. White Nationalists, in this sense, would be folks who want to live in an example of one of the few countries that still exist. Switzerland, New Zealand, maybe Australia, where the populace is largely white, the nation has a strong national identity somewhat free from demographics but majority white.
Like the BSM does with everything, “White Nationalist” is just a stepping stone in the relabeling process. So, was we witnessed over the last week, on Friday the BSM referred to them as “Alt Right” but by Saturday morning they were White Nationalists. By noon they were White Supremacists, and by sundown they were straight up Nazis.
I know this doesn’t quite make sense in a rational way but from the perspective of propaganda absolutely necessary and pretty much unfettered from any rationality.
Interesting to note that the reason there are few remaining examples of a country one might consider “White Nationalist” (above, New Zealand, Australia,...) is that the ranks have been diminished significantly almost exclusively through the efforts of folks like Antifa. Rhodesia, South Africa a couple of examples.
There were all kinds of people there outside of extremist groups, with video footage, including armed patriots some in full gear who were there to protect free speech.
There seems to be no point to this one.
In the same vein “White Supremacists” would be sort of like the opposite of what we currently have, preference for whites, a certain “hesitation” to prosecute whites, etc. White Nationalists, in this sense, would be folks who want to live in an example of one of the few countries that still exist. Switzerland, New Zealand, maybe Australia, where the populace is largely white, the nation has a strong national identity somewhat free from demographics but majority white.
This describes Japan and so many other places except they favor Japanese.
What I also wonder is if it would be conceivable to form a White Panthers or a NAAWP. I believe the answer is a resounding with clubs and pitchforks NOOOOO.
Ah, but Japan is “Japanese Supremacy”. Yeah we kicked there ass and it shook them up for a decade or so. Go ask a Korean living in Japan what he thinks of it.
I suppose you could say that the Aryan Brotherhood would be a White Supremacy group. I am unaware of any members of this group outside of prison. Which brings us back to the purpose of “street activism” being a way to show who holds power not a way to win people over. While you do find NAACP and Black Panthers outside of prison, you don’t see the Aryan Brotherhood outside prison.
Please tell me that you are not an American.
“So what?” you ask. Liberty depends on freedom of speech, for all. Those Antifa and BLM slime would silence you—Hell, they’d cut your throat—without an instant’s regret.
Your invocation of the leftist boogyman “hate” to destroy one of our cardinal liberties is wrong-headed in the extreme.
He who hates the left, acts rightly. He who hates what some call “the right,” acts wrongly. It is wrong to hate the good and love evil; it is right to hate evil and love the good.
You deplore racism. Okay. There are worse things. Far worse. Be that as it may, if racism is not safe, you are not safe.
The Supreme Court ruled, correctly, that even people who some call “political garbage” enjoy the same constitutional rights that you do. No one gets to deny anyone his constitutional rights because they disagree with his position. Period.
You can’t create an exception just by labeling someone a “hater.” These fictions—hate speech, hate groups, haters—are just tools that the left is using to destroy us.
In this case, some people were exercising their constitutional rights to assembly and free speech. Others presented themselves with the specific intent and purpose of denying those people their civil rights.
So, what did the Nazis et al. do here? They are guilty of holding and speaking unpopular opinions.
What did the left do here? Civil rights violations and criminal assault. Crimes. And what was their justification? Oh, those people are haters.
We don’t need any hate? If you don’t hate evil, you are defective.
I have a friend who lived there for a year. He's white btw. He said they were very polite but you were ALWAYS an outsider and that's all you ever would be.
He doesn’t understand the word..
No blame should be shared. The Alt-left is 100% to blame. Did anyone pay attention to the attacks on Trump supporters, the attempted assassination of several congressmen, etc. The riots, the looting, the theft, the murders by BLM Africans.
Nobody said that haters should be deprived of their free speech.
I never advocated curtailing hate by abridging Freedom of speech.
Stop putting words in my mouth.
You couldn't possibly have misread my statement more incorrectly.
The premise that I advocate infringing on Free Speech for anyone is an outright lie, and my comment suggested no such thing.
I simply said that there's no room for hate—and it's not a Leftist boogeyman—it's on display every day, in communities all over the country, and all over the internet.
Your false framing of my words is such an egregious and intellectually dishonest thing to do, that there's probably no point in continuing this discussion. If you're going to distort what I've posted so grossly—and make an absurd assertion without bothering to back it up—then I question what your agenda is.
And, of course, like anyone who just wants to throw smears around, you question my "Americanism"?
I've been around this community even longer than you, and for you to toss around such asinine rhetoric is just shameful.
You want to disagree with me? Fine. But don't levy patently false accusations and then question my patriotism on top of that.
The Supreme Court ruled, correctly, that even people who some call “political garbage” enjoy the same constitutional rights that you do.
I never argued otherwise, and I challenge you to provide the evidence that I have ever even suggested such a thing in response to anybody in this community in almost 20 years of posting.
There's lies, and there damn lies, and that's a damn lie.
So you might want to go back and review what I really said, and respond to that, instead of making invalid and absurd inferences, which you then attempt to present as me advocating for infringement on Free Speech. I'm a libertarian, Citizen, and would literally be the last person on earth to adopt a stance so antithetical to Constitutional principles.
To reiterate: I've never in any way, shape, or form supported infringing on the First Amendment rights of anyone—even haters. Your assertion that I suggested any such thing is false. And, additionally, shame on you for attacking my patriotism or Americanism.
Having said that, I also reiterate my opinion that White Supremacists, BLM, Antifa, the KKK, and their hateful ilk are "political garbage"—even though they are free to spew their hatred via their Unalienable Right to Free Speech under the First Amendment...
Road apples. Everything I accused you of, you did.
You accused me of advocating for the abridgement of Free Speech. You, sir, are a liar...
I noted that one side had a permit and was exercising its constitutionally protected right to free speech.
You replied, “So what?”
What the Hell is that supposed to mean, except that it was okay for the left to deprive them of their civil rights because they are “political garbage?”
You go on to say, “Political garbage is political garbage whether it has a permit or not.”
What is that supposed to mean, except that it’s okay to attack them whether they have a permit or not?
You continue with, “We don’t need any hate in this country—from the left or right.”
That’s the kind of thing I would only expect from a leftist.
We do need hatred from the right—of the left. Unless the right hates leftism enough to fight it, to eradicate it, the left is going to win, because they hate us with the fire of a thousand suns.
But all you do is let them off the hook by characterizing their victims as “haters” and “hate groups.”
No, I’m not lying, and I don’t want you in the next foxhole when the balloon goes up.
BTW, I was first registered here under a different name, so I don’t know if you really have a few weeks on me or not.
Trump is to stupid and narcissistic to learn that execution matters and he is a neophyte.
I've done marijuana twice in my life in college. Not a fan, just made me hungary. My vices are rich foods, choicolate, and redheaded women and I will indulge in all three until my heart gives
My concern is that antifa and groups like it are vicious and unprincipled. You may get off peacefully now and then, but you risk tragedy - and you risk infiltration of your peaceful Conservative demonstration by nasty people who WILL cause trouble, and whom the media WILL concentrate upon - and then smear YOU as the cause of the disaster.
Thanks for the referral to the website. Looks interesting, i don’t know that I have seen it before, i looked at The Who’s who page and didnt’ see you there at Campus Watch but it came up in the search. Looks like good work. Best of luck with your career. I gather you were upset at my sarcasm or didn’t recognize it as such. As for myself, I am a retired doctor, smoked pot way more than I can remember, dropped LSD at least 100 times in the 60s in my youthful days as an undergrad at Boulder. Sorry if you were offended by my poor attempt at sarcasm but I have really had it with some of these folks who don’t seem to understand that Antifa is every bit the threat that the SA was in pre War Germany.
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