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Smokers Continue to Cost All of Us More Than All Of Obamacare
valuewalk ^ | July 29, 2017 | JOHN F. BANZHAF

Posted on 07/30/2017 8:41:21 AM PDT by Drango

Government cracks down on tobacco but there is better way to cut health-care costs

The federal government has announced plans to reduce the amount of nicotine in cigarettes in a completely untested attempt to reduce smoking, but this approach will take many years to even be put into effect, and such an approach ignores many other proven techniques which will work more quickly, and could slash health-care costs now, says public interest law professor John Banzhaf.

Banzhaf has been called “The Man Behind the Ban on Cigarette Commercials,” “The Law Professor Who Masterminded Litigation Against the Tobacco Industry,” and “a Driving Force Behind the Lawsuits That Have Cost Tobacco Companies Billions of Dollars.”

The approach announced Friday by the Food and Drug Administration [FDA] involves two different sequential rulemaking proceedings, a process which will take many years even to put a new rule into place, and one likely to be delayed even more by the inevitable litigation.

The FDA proposal also not only omitted for the nicotine-reduction requirement so-called e-cigarettes, a growing source of nicotine and nicotine addiction in both children and adults, but also extended until 2021 the time for manufactures of this deadly and addictive product to submit applications.

The announcement that the government plans to regulate nicotine in tobacco cigarettes, but not e-cigarettes, and to give e-cigarette manufactures years more time to submit their applications, was made by FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, who, coincidentally, was previously on the board of e-cigarette maker Kure.

Ironically, there are many other actions the federal government could take which would have a much bigger and more immediate effect, says Banzhaf, noting the increased pressure to do something about rising health-care premiums now that efforts to pass health-care reform legislative have collapsed. Here’s why.

The American Lung Association estimates that smoking costs the American economy about $322 billion a year. This includes over $175 billion in direct medical care for adults, but does not include the huge increased indirect costs such has higher numbers of complications from surgery, delayed healing, etc.

Most of this alarming cost is now being borne by nonsmoking taxpayers in the form of higher taxes (to pay for Medicare, Medicaid, and other programs) as well as ever-escalating health-care costs (in the form of higher premiums, changing deductibles, etc.).

Since the Congressional Budget Office [CBO] estimates that Obamacare would cost about $1.34 trillion over the next decade – just under $140 billion/yr – reducing smoking could cover the entire cost of any new health plan – including many times over the costs attributable to pre-existing conditions – without using taxpayers’ money, or imposing higher insurance rates on the great majority of Americans who do not smoke.

Indeed, notes Banzhaf, since neither Obamacare nor any of the major Republican approaches to change it actually reduce health-care costs. but rather simply try to shift the huge existing burden, doing something like reducing smoking may be the only way to reduce health-care costs which are now imposed on policy holders, taxpayers, medical device makers, and others.

Here are several ways it could be done much more quickly and effectively than the totally untried long-term technique of reducing the nicotine concentrations in tobacco cigarettes.

One simple measure would be to raise the federal cigarette tax from its current level of $1.01/pack – a rate which has remained unchanged since 2009.

The Congressional Budget Office has recommended an increase of fifty cents per pack – an amount many studies have shown would significantly reduce the rate of smoking, and the huge medical costs imposed on the American economy, by the mere fifteen percent of adult population which still smokes – and an increase of one dollar per pack would have an even larger effect on reducing unnecessary health-care costs.

Interestingly, the CBO noted as one reason for raising the tax that “tobacco consumers may underestimate the addictive power of nicotine and the harm that smoking causes.”

Numerous studies have shown again and again that significant increases in cigarette tax rates are one of the most effective ways to help persuade smokers to quit.

Unlike most government anti-smoking programs which cost millions to hundreds of millions in taxpayer dollars, the cost of using this very effective technique is zero; or even less than zero, since net revenue increases even after making allowance for the reduction in the number of smokers.

Prohibiting smoking in workplaces and public places is another technique which has been proven to be very effective in reducing the rates of smoking and, like increasing taxes, is one of the few measures which cost taxpayers nothing.

Yet more than forty percent of the population live in a jurisdiction which does not yet have a comprehensive smoking law prohibiting smoking in workplaces, restaurants, and bars.

The federal government could remedy that problem, and immediately slash smoking rates, simply by adopting a federal clean indoor air act similar to that proven to be so effective in many states.

Alternatively, much the same result could be achieved without the need for any action by Congress by providing strong incentives for jurisdictions which do not now have comprehensive smoking restrictions to adopt them.

For example, the Department of Health and Human Services [HHS], which includes the FDA, could simply adopt a policy of giving priority in awarding health-related grants to jurisdictions which protect nonsmokers – and thereby also help persuade smokers to quit – by having clean indoor air restrictions in place.

The keen competition for these billions in grants would provide a very strong incentive for these remaining jurisdictions to join the remainder of the country, and save money, by prohibiting smoking.

A third technique would be to rescind guidance under Obamacare which requires companies to permit smokers to avoid the fifty percent smoker surcharge Banzhaf helped get included under Obamacare by simply spending a few hours each year in smoking withdrawal classes.

Congress intended to impose personal responsibility on smokers, the fifteen percent of the adult population which impose an unnecessary $322 billion dollar a year cost on all taxpayers, and not to let them skirt this requirement by attending a class or two, argues Banzhaf.

The current health-care costs and medical expense crisis cannot be solved, or even significantly reduced, simply by shifting the new costs of insuring tens of millions of previously uninsured Americans to other entities such as middle class workers, hospitals, medical device makers, etc., notes Banzhaf.

Nor will tinkering around the edges – adopting electronic medical care records, improving record keeping, reducing unspecified “waste,” etc. – do much to solve the underlying problems, he says.

“It’s obviously far more effective to prevent a heart attack, lung cancer, or stroke from ever happening – e.g. by reducing smoking – than to treat it, no matter how effective the treatment might be.”

The best and most effective way to attack the health-care cost crisis is to recognize that so much of it is caused by smoking, and to start imposing personnel responsibility on the fifteen percent of American adults who continue smoking, expecting nonsmokers to absorb the cost, subsidize their insurance, etc., he says.


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KEYWORDS: healthcare; pufflist; smoking; witchhunt
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To: Drango

I have never believed this lie.

Their faulty assumption is that a smoker who consumes medical due to healthy injury or due to dying as a direct consequence of smoking would never consume healthcare otherwise.

That is a bad assumption.

OK, that guy may be consuming a lot of medical treatment for smoking related lung cancer at 55 and get chemo for a year before he dies at 56. But if he had not gotten lunch cancer at 55 who is to say he would not have a different cancer at 75-80, or suffer a stroke, or need heard bypass surgury, etc.

So the liars are only looking at the health care consumed by smokers but are ignoring the health care they would have needed later if they got another serious disease at an older age.

I don’t belive this lie at all.


101 posted on 07/30/2017 11:25:40 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Trump: What to do now I can't repeal Obamacare? I know, lets start a war with Russia!)
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To: bray

“Are we really sure smoking causes cancer? Is this good science or junk to destroy an industry?”

From the same people who brought us prohibition, gambling bans,salt and sugar restrictions, global warming and the junk science racket in general. Bunch of gonifs.


102 posted on 07/30/2017 11:30:08 AM PDT by Bonemaker
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To: Drango

“Are we really sure smoking causes cancer?
Are you joking? Do you believe the earth is flat?”

I don’know...ask Steve Reeve’s wife Dana. Oh wait...something else caused her lung cancer.


103 posted on 07/30/2017 11:36:41 AM PDT by Bonemaker
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To: Bonemaker

Smoking can cause cancers lets not kid ourselves. But Uncle Sham is a hypocrite in that people can choose to smoke but innocent babies aborted can’t choose to live from government sanctioned murder of them. Smoking may or may not kill ya but abortion is a damn sure death sentence.


104 posted on 07/30/2017 11:41:49 AM PDT by tflabo
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To: Drango

And Then, BEER, SODA, SALT, FATTY FOODS, etc, YES!


105 posted on 07/30/2017 11:44:11 AM PDT by hawg-farmer - FR..October 1998 (---->VMFA 235 '69 -'72 KMCAS <--- F4 PHANTOM... FLYING BRICK)
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To: Drango

Smokers Continue to Cost All of Us More Than All Of Obamacare...No one HERE questions this PREMISE?


106 posted on 07/30/2017 11:45:27 AM PDT by hawg-farmer - FR..October 1998 (---->VMFA 235 '69 -'72 KMCAS <--- F4 PHANTOM... FLYING BRICK)
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To: Vlad The Inhaler

“Why single out smokers?”

I agree. Jack up the insurance rates on all...diabetes, congestive heart failure, ulcerative colitis etc then we’ll talk about it. If you drive a car, ride a bike, are a fireman, football player, water skier or whatever, maybe you too are making “poor life choices” according to these schmucks.


107 posted on 07/30/2017 11:47:53 AM PDT by Bonemaker
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To: tflabo

True


108 posted on 07/30/2017 12:04:30 PM PDT by Bonemaker
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To: Godebert

Pot smokers do not inhale as deeply as tobacco smokers. I have seen them try, and they usually end up in a coughing fit. Plus, they don’t inhale 20 times per toke like a cigarette smoker does, and you don’t see them getting lung cancer.
Trying to compare the two is ridiculous.


109 posted on 07/30/2017 12:16:23 PM PDT by kaila
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To: Bob434

And in NYC I think they outlawed certain amounts of salt, foie gras, and other food


110 posted on 07/30/2017 12:26:43 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Drango

I call BS on this entire train of thought. Everyone dies from something. Smokers, on average, die sooner that non-smokers. Therefore, they collect less Social Security, welfare, etc., and don’t use doctors in the interim for that period of time. If they didn’t die from lung cancer, they would die from something else that would also use expensive medical facilities.

So, I submit that in total, smokers use less medical care and save money for the taxpaying public.


111 posted on 07/30/2017 12:37:20 PM PDT by FXRP (Just me and the pygmy pony)
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To: Drango

So to turn this around, Medicaid Subsidized the Tobacco Companies. Same Logic.

Who is getting hurt by the tax increase, only the poor.


112 posted on 07/30/2017 12:48:53 PM PDT by dila813 (Voting for Trump to Punish Trumpets!)
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To: kaila

You obviously have never met any real “pot smokers”. They usually always hold the smoke in their lungs as long as possible to absorb the THC into their bloodstream. Some can hold a four foot tube of smoke in their lungs for almost half a minute.


113 posted on 07/30/2017 2:00:01 PM PDT by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: vooch
When a smoker has to pay 5 times more for health insurance versus a non-smoker, that might change behavior quicker than any gov’t “plan”

Smokers already pay higher life insurance premiums, so why not higher health care costs? Makes sense to me.

114 posted on 07/30/2017 3:17:15 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Drango

Your hero’s are a bunch of scamming liars. No wonder you’re drawn to them!


115 posted on 07/30/2017 6:18:32 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST (We are the unOrganised Militia. We are "We The People"! BLOAT.)
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To: umgud
Just curious; Which is the bigger harm, nicotine or inhaling all that smoke 20 times per day?

I am curious about that also. Is it nicotine or the actual process of inhaling all the smoke that is more harmful?

116 posted on 07/30/2017 6:39:51 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Irish Eyes

It is all of the carcinogens that are sucked in the smoke.

The nicotine is just a bonus.


117 posted on 07/30/2017 6:45:14 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: dila813

Have you ever seen the bills of someone dying of lung cancer?

Trust me, they wrack up more costs than a 94 year old who never smoked.


118 posted on 07/30/2017 6:47:33 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Drango
I say BS!

My father was a heavy smoker who died from lung cancer. If he received three weeks of medical care it was a lot. My mother is 94 and sees doctors all the time.

ML/NJ

119 posted on 07/30/2017 6:50:00 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Vermont Lt
It is all of the carcinogens that are sucked in the smoke.

The nicotine is just a bonus.

Is it a good bonus or a bad bonus? I am currently using the gum with nicotine.

120 posted on 07/30/2017 6:50:46 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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