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Say Goodbye To X+Y: Should Community Colleges Abolish Algebra?
NPR ^ | July 19, 2017 | Kayla Lattimore and Julie Depenbrock

Posted on 07/21/2017 5:12:11 AM PDT by C19fan

Algebra is one of the biggest hurdles to getting a high school or college degree — particularly for students of color and first-generation undergrads.

It is also the single most failed course in community colleges across the country. So if you're not a STEM major (science, technology, engineering, math), why even study algebra?

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: algebra; college; communitycollege; highereducation; immigrants; math; matheducation; race
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To: C19fan
So if you're not a STEM major (science, technology, engineering, math), why even study algebra?

So you won't go through life as a complete ignoramus, and so your decisions on issues like global warming will be based on something more than superstition and your tendency to believe whatever comes out of the mouth of some Hollywood moron who also never took algebra.
121 posted on 07/21/2017 6:26:21 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Leaning Right

“And there is only one right answer.”

Often there is more than one right answer.


122 posted on 07/21/2017 6:27:25 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: central_va

Considering the number of cars that run out of gas each day the drivers failed algebra.


123 posted on 07/21/2017 6:27:26 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Climate Change: The Imminent Crisis That Never Arrives and the gravy train that never ends.)
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To: C19fan
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124 posted on 07/21/2017 6:28:31 AM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: Leaning Right

Liberal viewpoint: If it’s difficult, it must be racist or sexist. So pass a law against it or get an affirmative action exemption for your “special” group.


125 posted on 07/21/2017 6:28:55 AM PDT by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Flash Bazbeaux

sometimes there are IMAGINARY answers.

(seriously)


126 posted on 07/21/2017 6:29:08 AM PDT by Mr. K (***THERE IS NO CONSEQUENCE OF REPEALING OBAMACARE THAT IS WORSE THAN OBAMACARE ITSELF***)
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To: C19fan

How can Math be too hard for “people of color” when all we hear is how there is no difference between black/white, man/woman etc...?


127 posted on 07/21/2017 6:31:32 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (We need a separation of press and state!)
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To: sportutegrl

Another use is calculating the meat content vs. price between different fat grades of ground beef.


128 posted on 07/21/2017 6:32:11 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Climate Change: The Imminent Crisis That Never Arrives and the gravy train that never ends.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Calculus could be taught with simple rules: d/dx x^n = nx^(n-1)... simple.

But if you never learned LIMITS then you don’t understand WHY this is true.

or why d/dx e^x = e^x (weird......!!!)


129 posted on 07/21/2017 6:32:51 AM PDT by Mr. K (***THERE IS NO CONSEQUENCE OF REPEALING OBAMACARE THAT IS WORSE THAN OBAMACARE ITSELF***)
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To: C19fan

Sigh....

Once upon a time, one needed to pass algebra to graduate from 8th grade.

After that seemed to hard for some grammar school students, we made it a requirement for high school graduation and/or college admission.

Of course, plenty of would be college students hadn’t managed to learn any algebra (even though they’d been passed in the course) and lots and lots of community colleges began (as far back as the 1920s in California per my father!) requiring prospective students to take a math exam, putting those who failed it into a “bonehead” math class similar to the “bonehead” English classes required for those who failed the (in California) “Subject A” exam at entrance....

Still, the kidoos still needed to pass “college algebra” to get the old sheepskin....

Now, the snowflakes find algebra too hard for college students to pass, so they want to eliminate the requirement....

I remember when I was an undergraduate, most colleges required you to pass a year of calculus to graduate! Of course, that requirement was eliminated when the kiddies found calculus too much like mathematics, and thus, too hard....

The fundamental problem is that, all other things being equal, it takes cognitive ability equivalent to an IQ of about 110 to learn the calculus. Or do real college work at the level of undergraduates in 1950....

Yet, with only about 20% of the population having IQ > 110, we’re sending something like 50% of high school graduates to college.... Gotta be lots of college students who just don’t have the cognitive ability to do the work...

Solution: dumb college down instead of make sure no one goes to college without the ability. Forumla for disaster!
[/end rant]


130 posted on 07/21/2017 6:33:08 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Islam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: NorthMountain

“What, exactly, are the authors saying without realizing that they’re saying it? “

They are saying “You know how we keep saying there’s no difference between black/white, man/woman? That’s BS.”


131 posted on 07/21/2017 6:34:08 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (We need a separation of press and state!)
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To: C19fan

I was always terrible in math. Though in my early organ builder days I taught my shop how to accurately make pipe feet using trigonometry.

These days I love math, having made my way through Tom Apostol’s “Calculus I&II” and some number theory texts. Though I also don’t have to worry about passing or failing, which is why I’m such an enthusiast.


132 posted on 07/21/2017 6:34:38 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: C19fan
Say Goodbye To X+Y

When I first read that, I thought the article was about leftist colleges getting rid of male students. (Or at least white ones, anyway).

133 posted on 07/21/2017 6:35:05 AM PDT by Maceman (Let's ban Muslims temporarily -- just until non-Muslims can freely practice their religions in Mecca)
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To: C19fan

Yeah..
We need more uneducated, unmotivated idiots./s

I took Algebra in HIGH SCHOOL. ..it should be a requirement for HS Diploma.


134 posted on 07/21/2017 6:36:03 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Say hello to President Trump)
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To: C19fan

Algebra is logic. Without logic there is less critical thinking. Less critical thinking means swallowing liberal ideas is easier.


135 posted on 07/21/2017 6:36:56 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Joe 6-pack

The Arabs did not give us algebra. The ancient civilizations had different forms of algebra, but it was a Greek mathematician that came up with what we know as algebra. Not too many people were interested in algebra during the dark ages, a few hundred years later an Arab stole the Greek’s work, called it his own, then several hundred years after that, during the Ottoman period, it was translated into Latin.


136 posted on 07/21/2017 6:38:30 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: C19fan

At American community colleges, 60 percent of those enrolled are required to take at least one math course. Most — nearly 80 percent — never complete that requirement.


Wow. Just wow.

This is the product of the Government School System. It could not possibly be any lower. Not even in Zimbabwe.


137 posted on 07/21/2017 6:40:59 AM PDT by samtheman (As an oil exporter, why would the Russians prefer Trump to Hillary? (Get it or be stupid.))
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To: C19fan

Remnants of Sam Cooke’s ‘What a Wonderful World’ (Don’t know much about history...)

I bet he had no idea how prophetic he was.


138 posted on 07/21/2017 6:41:10 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Rebelbase

I completely believe it. It hasn’t come up but I would not be surprised if there are students in my program that can not read an analog clock ( with numbers!).


139 posted on 07/21/2017 6:41:48 AM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: mykroar

Same here. Excelled in logic, too. But got off the math bus when it came to calculus.


140 posted on 07/21/2017 6:42:43 AM PDT by Noumenon ("Only the dead have seen an end to war.")
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