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Did The Polls Get The Handel/Ossoff Race Wrong?
Hotair ^ | 06/21/2017 | AllahPundit

Posted on 06/21/2017 2:15:52 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Say, wasn’t Ossoff supposed to win this race sort of handily? Two different polls taken over the past month had him leading by seven(!) points. Between May 10th and June 15th, he led in every poll tracked by RCP except one — and that one was tied. The polls blew it again!

Well … not exactly. Per Sean Trende, note the trend below over the race’s final days, as Handel finally achieved liftoff:

On June 12th Ossoff led comfortably, 49.8 to 45. One week later it was Handel 49.0 to Ossoff’s 48.8. She was actually a verrrrry slight favorite by the time polls opened yesterday morning. She ended up winning by nearly four points, not 0.2, but combine the margin of error with the really obvious late break towards the Republican candidate and there’s nothing all that surprising about last night’s result. Data nerds are laughing at journalists on social media today, in fact, for seeming perplexed that a toss-up race in a red district might have ended up tilting towards the GOP nominee by a number in line with the average poll’s MOE.

Like, you looked at this chart and thought "there's no way Handel wins" -and I should trust you to report a school board meeting accurately? pic.twitter.com/xiEVcnrCct

— Micah Cohen (@micahcohen) June 21, 2017

Three notes about the final numbers. For the second time in eight months, the little-known Republican pollster Trafalgar Group almost nailed a tight race in which the conventional wisdom was pointing the other way. You may remember Trafalgar from the closing days of the presidential election in November, when they boldly predicted narrow Trump victories in Michigan and Pennsylvania — unthinkable upsets at the time. Their final poll of this race had Handel winning by two, making them the only pollster to have her on top since early May. They’re building quite a reputation for final-week surveys with eerily accurate results.

Was the late break towards Handel a straightforward matter of late-deciders in a Republican district coming home to the party or was there something more to it? Last night I kept thinking of what a local GOP chairman told WaPo a few days ago: “I think the [Scalise] shooting is going to win this election for us.” At least one outside group ran an ad (denounced by both Ossoff and Handel) framing the race as a referendum on whether the left’s worst elements would be rewarded after the assassination attempt in Virginia with an Ossoff victory. Handel’s numbers in the chart above began climbing before the shooting, with her average jumping 0.8 points between June 12th and June 13th, but they really took off after the violence on the 14th. She gained nearly three points over the final week of the race. Outraged at the attempted murder of Scalise, Republicans in the Sixth District may have turned out in higher numbers than expected to send a message to Democrats.

Last point, via Nate Silver: Did Democrats place too many of their eggs in this basket?

By the way, Democrats were dumb not to put more resources into South Carolina 5, which elected a Dem to the House as recently as 2008.

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) June 21, 2017

Hindsight is 20/20 and South Carolina’s Fifth District is ruby red, making it a much smaller target — in theory — for Dems than the Georgia special election was. Shockingly, though, the South Carolina outcome ended up tighter than the Handel/Ossoff race did. Republican Ralph Norman won by a mere 3.2 points over Democrat Archie Parnell in a district that’s 19 points more Republican demographically than America as a whole. The counterpoint to Silver is that Parnell made it as close as it was only because Democrats didn’t aggressively compete there: Local Republican voters may have assumed Norman would win and stayed home while Democrats turned out en masse, producing a surprisingly narrow Republican victory. If Democrats had gone all-in to promote the race, those lazy GOP voters would have behaved differently. Even so, $23 million was a lot of cheddar to sprinkle on a single House race in Georgia. How would Parnell have done if, say, 20 percent of Ossoff’s haul had been directed his way instead? Fortunately we’ll never know.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: handel; ossoff; polls
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To: SeekAndFind

Pollsters lie and exaggrate. People talking to pollsters lie and exaggerate. The sample audiences pollsters tap are often skewed and dont genuinely representative of how the population demographics are really going to vote.


21 posted on 06/21/2017 2:31:46 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: samtheman
No, they just didn’t get them right. AGAIN!!
22 posted on 06/21/2017 2:32:04 PM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Bingo you asked te right question and the answer is the pollsters are trying to drive the polling info to lie to the public to suit their leftist agenda.


23 posted on 06/21/2017 2:34:28 PM PDT by Blue Highway (Q)
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To: SeekAndFind

Pollsters should be given specific instructions NOT to watch CNN.


24 posted on 06/21/2017 2:35:05 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: boycott

right and it actually worked. Had the polling been accurate the final result would have been a bigger defeat of Assoff


25 posted on 06/21/2017 2:36:25 PM PDT by Blue Highway (Q)
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To: SeekAndFind; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Galactic Overlord-In-Chief

The late polls had it tied, my average had Handel up 0.4%, her victory margin was within the margin of error for that.

A couple weeks ago all the polls showed Jagoff up 2 or 3 points. Those +7 polls were obviously outliers.


26 posted on 06/21/2017 2:36:52 PM PDT by Impy (End the kritarchy!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The unemployed leftist millennials who live in their conservative parent’s basements were locked down there on election day and thus kept from voting for their social democrat candidate.


27 posted on 06/21/2017 2:39:38 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: SeekAndFind

Or was it a case of the pollsters knew what the real numbers were and had to un-fudge them near the end so the sheep wouldn’t realize the game? “Oh look, she is rising at the end” instead of “we have been lying to you all along, but are now telling the truth so you don’t realize it was a lie.”


28 posted on 06/21/2017 2:39:40 PM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve never bought the idea of sudden shifts in polling at the last minute. Sample size, weighting, and noise makes all polls suspect. Actually, the best approach may be to sample the same people over and over to watch for shifts in the numbers. I think one of the polling outfits did that in 2016 and they were one of the few that predicted a Trump win.


29 posted on 06/21/2017 2:41:12 PM PDT by Flick Lives
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To: Road Warrior ‘04

:)


30 posted on 06/21/2017 2:41:56 PM PDT by samtheman (FAIL = FAIL Always Involves Liberalism)
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To: Blue Highway

They try and create a sense of inevitability around their candidate to try and supress voter turnout for the other side.


31 posted on 06/21/2017 2:44:55 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (I held my nose, voted for Trump, then took a shower. All to defeat evil.)
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To: ladyjane

I’ve been voting Tepublican longer than most people have been alive and I’ve never been called and asked which candidate I’m voting for.


32 posted on 06/21/2017 2:44:56 PM PDT by luvbach1 (I hope Trump runs roughshod over the inevitable obstuctionists, Dems, progs, libs, or RINOs!)
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To: Vlad The Inhaler
The liberals have a theory: that the suburban collar counties in Southern cities like Atlanta, Charlotte, Dallas, and Houston are about to go from red to purple, based on demographics of increased settlement of Northeasterners, Californians, and Asian-Americans into places like Gwinnett County, Georgia, or Collin County, Texas. They saw narrowing margins for Trump vs. Clinton in such counties in 2016, as opposed to Romney vs. Obama in 2012 or McCain vs. Obama in 2008. The same trend occurred in the 1990s and 2000s in the suburbs of the Northeastern megalopolis, Los Angeles, and Chicago and the liberals saw the possibility of a like outcome in the Southern suburban counties. Plus the depth of the Trump hatred among the Left caused them to sink something like $50 million into the Georgia congressional race. They failed because they failed to account for the Never Trump voters returning to the reservation. Don't forget the Libertarian candidates polled 3-6% in these counties, well above their usual 1% or less.

Their optimistic assumption and their blind never Trumpism caused them to fail, big time. Nice outcome for the good guys.

33 posted on 06/21/2017 2:45:39 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: SeekAndFind

I love that graph. There is genuine stupidity on display there.


34 posted on 06/21/2017 2:46:45 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: SeekAndFind

The MSM seems to be getting very good at gagging and swallowing lately...


35 posted on 06/21/2017 2:46:49 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: luvbach1

I’ve never been called, but I did have one pollster knock on my door in October...

He asked who I was voting for and I told him it wasn’t any of his business...

His reply: “Oh, I take it you’re a Trump supporter...”

My comment: “I told you it was none of your business...Now, go...”

He left....


36 posted on 06/21/2017 2:47:36 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is a post from confessed #nevertrumper Allahpundit. This douche was damned gleeful when the polls had Ossoff up by 7. Now is he just trying to find a way to shift blame.


37 posted on 06/21/2017 2:50:13 PM PDT by guido911 (all)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m in this district. We got polling calls at least 5x a day. This is not an exaggeration. I hung up every single tine. These were obvious push polls and I refused to participate. I don’t think I was the only one. The Dems were very excited to participate in any poll they could so they could vent their frustrations.

Polls were not representative of the district


38 posted on 06/21/2017 2:50:47 PM PDT by Republican Red
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To: SeekAndFind

They put out bogus polls hoping for the heard mentality to kick in. When it’s obvious it’s not going to work they try to get a more accurate poll out at the very end to save their reputation.


39 posted on 06/21/2017 2:53:34 PM PDT by Terry Mross (Liver spots And blood thinners.,)
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To: SeekAndFind
Propaganda, fake news, fake polls specifically created for the duplicitious purpose of manipulating the election results and surpressing voter turnout.

Didn't work because the public at large, especially conservatives no longer believe ANYTHING being reported by the MSM "ministry of truth": CNN, ABC, seeBS, NBC, the Washington Poo, the NY Slimes or the Atlanta Urinal, etc... .

40 posted on 06/21/2017 3:00:15 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord God Almighty, deliver us from this evil in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, amen.)
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