Posted on 06/19/2017 2:28:23 PM PDT by Innovative
Otto Warmbier, the University of Virginia student who was detained in North Korea for nearly a year and a half, died Monday afternoon, his parents announced.
On Thursday, doctors at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center said that the 22-year-old Otto Warmbier had extensive loss of brain tissue, and was in a state of unresponsive wakefulness.
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I could agree with that as well.....especially that they wouldn’t want to damage their bargaining chip....and their history of Americans they’ve detained and returned evidences this for the most part.
However I do believe it would take more than just getting a 15 yr sentence to push him to suicide. He undoubtedly knew his parents and our government would be working to get him out of there. So something in his mind or whatever happened to push hi to do that..if indeed he did.
RiP. Otto didn’t deserve this. Prayers for his family and friends.
Not heartless, but just as stupid as someone having gone to North Korea. I suppose if the kid were with the Young Conservative Club it’d be the right thing to do to secure his release? A lot of these Young Pioneer kids will grow up, face reality and even become Conservative, you know. I have an idea, neo. How about we just shoot down the plane that this group is travelling in, then we don’t have to deal with all this crap>
Nobody has any business being in North Korea, agreed, but I still have sympathy for a stupid college kid making a mistake by going there. He didn’t have to pay the ultimate price for the mistake and should’ve been returned home long ago and in good health.
He was an AMERICAN, above all else. What is the problem with some of you people?
perhaps he was set up. Even if he wasn’t this be the punishment?
“Detroit is having somewhat of a revival”
Yep - just found out a good friend from the old days bought a house in Dee-troit - shocked the h@ll out of me.
Of course his car was stolen in less than a week - but he got the house for next to nothing!
Dear Connyankee,
I agree with you absolutely. You wrote a carefully nuanced and clear commentary on the incapability of our young people to understand the meaning of “no” and what being “special” means since they have been “so special” since infancy.
And that brings me to the point of asking why our government, as lead by President Trump, is not telling the sanctuary cities “no” they will not be supported by the US Gov and our taxes no matter how long they are sanctuary cities and if their citizens don’t stop the immigrant protective acts, we will not support them in any way, and, going further, telling the BLM and CAIR, etc., “no” they are not ordinary groups but are terrorists and arresting them and charging them with sedition and other crimes.
Why is “no” so hard to say?
You are entitled to your opinion. I won’t personally attack you in kind, but I will address your critique.
Otto was old enough to be an adult and own the consequences of his actions. We ask plenty of 18 year olds to go overseas with a rifle in hand to go bring order to the chaos of some third world hole and they do just fine. If he didn’t have the good sense to stay away from DPRK, then that falls on his parents. He exercised poor judgement by going and then again by misbehaving. Did the punishment fit the crime in any sensible world? Of course not, but this was DPRK - a country that no college kid has any business visiting. He was a stupid kid and his parents may have been bad parents for allowing him to go - I don’t know what their role was, beyond failing to vest him with good judgement, which was their job.
I hate seeing Americans mistreated, tortured, and killed. Call it a tribal instinct. However, understand that the commie-enviro-globalists have their own tribe. They are out of touch with the real world and I shed no tears for them when Dr. Darwin calls.
Otto Warmbier should be a cautionary tale for our youth, not a martyr to leftist BS. Don’t get sucked into the emotional narrative.
That is true. He get’s power from knowing that he is the best basketball player in the whole country. Nothing else matters to him.
RIP Otto ...
caww, you were the Freeper I was trying to think of.
Had Gen. MacArthur completed his plans to conquer NK, the DPRK and Chinese problems would look differently today. Goes back to a damned democrat, Truman.
I understand what you’re saying, but we’ll never know what was in his mind when he chose to go there, and we’ll probably never know what the people around him were saying to him (they’ll never admit it).
If I had to guess, this kid could have just been a typical Bernie supporter, thinking that Socialism is great and people are happy there. Given how recently he grew up, and the fact that he went to a major university, other than his parents, who was around to possibly tell him just how horrible Communism is? I grew up decades ago and NEVER ONCE in high school (and earlier) was I told about the mass killings and forced labor under Communism - I had to learn that myself (and I did). It seems like the Communists ‘teaching’ me would prefer that not be discussed (I wonder why, LOL).
So perhaps this kid went there to see just how wonderful the ‘purest’ Communist country in the world operates. I think even most of us would find it interesting to go there, just to see it ourselves, but then again we understand the huge risks. Perhaps no one really bothered telling him? Perhaps his parents were like most parents today and simply feel that that the child has to be left alone to ‘find his way’?...which would otherwise be fine, but his teachers and professors have no intention of doing the same. Or perhaps his parents are leftists (like Rachael Corrie’s), and only now are trying to cover their tracks by saying that they warned him not to go there? Why knows?
“I agree, and it’s time to charge that regime with the murder of a US citizen. Take it before the UN.”
Oh, that will do a bunch of good, not! But we should commence our exit from the UN, or at least cut back so much on our funding that it collapses. We keep that turd alive with our money.
“Tour” my ASS. He chose to go to a murderous backward hellhole. Even these “tours” advise customers of the dangers and warn about behavior. This is not like a “tour” of common destination locales. You also worried about those who decide to “tour” Syria or Iran? How bout some personal responsibility or common sense?
Oh dear, I read the article and everything. Did not comprehend.
Still, I’m surprised they didn’t eat him.
I have to agree. How many people don’t realize that NK is a death trap? I especially condemn those who teach our children that “It’s OK, travel and see the world.” No, it’s not OK, there are places where you can get KILLED! I blame the parents - grieving or not, they let this kid go there. Another example of lib parents who got their kid killed. Wake up people!
“Founder’s Quote: “Basically I’ve always had a bit of an unnatural obsession with all things communist,” Gareth said, explaining his teenage politics were “slightly left of Pol Pot.””
Pol Pot (Communist genocide dictator in Cambodia, for those of you in Rio Linda) would have at least gotten a few more years out of him doing hard labor, before running him out...so I agree, this ‘Young Pioneer’ got to experience a country ‘slightly to the left of Pol Pot’.
Add to that, kids in my family were taught at a young age, you don’t take something that isn’t yours.
Apparently, this man missed that lesson.
Well if being a realist and a pragmatist is arrogant so be it
I’m so sorry for the family. This is a terrible tragedy. But as a parent I cannot imagine agreeing to my son’s request to travel to North Korea at age 21.
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