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Of Monuments and Mayors: The Confederate Memorial Controversy in St. Louis
Townhall.com ^ | May 22, 2017 | Brian Birdnow

Posted on 05/22/2017 9:58:31 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: ExTexasRedhead; Kaslin; bevperl; vette6387; LS; flat; MinuteGal; HarleyLady27; ZULU; Lumper20; ...
Mayor Krewson may be “insane” as you suggest. But she is no more really a “liberal” than are the Taliban who destroyed the huge ancient Buddha; or the Nazi mob on "Kristal Nacht"; or was Citizen Robespierre in the "Reign of Terror." "Hate Filled Crack-pot" is the better term.

The tragedy here is that it took the Spanish American War, after 33 years, to really start the healing process over the terrible war (1861 to 1865); and the antics of those trying to go back to the generation of hate-driven motivations, is really sick.

By contrast, consider how General Douglas MacArthur handled the honored dead, both Blue & Grey, in his 1962 masterpiece: "Duty, Honor, Country."

In that era, patriotic celebrations, both North & South, generally honored both military traditions with patriotic banners, music & art work. (Not that those who prefer a culture of hate & resentment were not still trying to poison the cultural well.)

For those who have forgotten the inspirational speech, above? Check it out!

21 posted on 05/22/2017 11:41:45 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: JBW1949

And here we sit, letting them.


22 posted on 05/22/2017 11:41:53 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: Terry Mross

“This means the Civil War never happened. Therefore, slavery never happened.”

We still have history books and in those history books we can still read Alexander Stephens’ Cornerstone Speech where in his own words he tells us about why the Civil War occurred.

“Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.”


23 posted on 05/22/2017 11:42:57 AM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: Ray76

“Tearing down monuments erases history.”

The purpose of a monument in to pay respect to a person to future generations.

The purpose of a history book is to tell a history to future generations.

With the monuments down, the history still exists.


24 posted on 05/22/2017 11:49:43 AM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: Timpanagos1

Don’t be naive.


25 posted on 05/22/2017 12:13:50 PM PDT by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: Ray76

One can still go to Lee Circle and read a book on the Civil War.

One can also walk into any library and read books on the Civil War.

Or one can simply Google CSA Vice President Stephens’ Cornerstone Speech and read about why the southern states seceded from the Union.

The history still exists.


26 posted on 05/22/2017 12:23:12 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: Timpanagos1

For now.

The spirit of the taliban is alive and well in America.


27 posted on 05/22/2017 12:28:35 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Timpanagos1

Let’s demolish Independence Hall, it can be read about in a book.


28 posted on 05/22/2017 12:46:37 PM PDT by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: Timpanagos1
Or one can simply Google CSA Vice President Stephens’ Cornerstone Speech and read about why the southern states seceded from the Union.

The reasons why they left is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is whether they had a right to leave, which the Declaration of Independence tells us they did.

The more significant issue involved in this conflict is not the South's reasons for leaving, but are instead the North's reasons for forcing them back into the Union at gunpoint.

Forcing them back in is a deliberate rebuke of the principle upon which this nation was founded. It turned a voluntary relationship into one of coercion, and in effect rather than freeing a million slaves, it simply created 25 million new ones.

The nation has worked for Washington ever since.

29 posted on 05/22/2017 12:54:59 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

“Forcing them back in is a deliberate rebuke of the principle upon which this nation was founded. It turned a voluntary relationship into one of coercion....”

Times are better now, and if Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama wish to withdraw from he Union and form their own nation, I suspect the Union would not object as strongly as it had in 1861.


30 posted on 05/22/2017 1:01:57 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: Timpanagos1
"The purpose of a history book is to tell a history to future generations. With the monuments down, the history still exists."

Not to worry. They'll burn the books next.

31 posted on 05/22/2017 1:24:38 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: Kaslin
In Tucson we have the Pancho Villa statue. Why, you might ask? Because nobody in Mexico wanted it so many years ago.

For some reason the local Communists love Pancho Villa. Here we see some posing after an anti-war rally in 2004.


32 posted on 05/22/2017 1:33:41 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: Terry Mross
Oh grow up. Whether a statue stands or not 1861-1865 happened. The Civil War happened.
33 posted on 05/22/2017 2:36:20 PM PDT by jmacusa (Dad may be in charge but mom knows whats going on.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

“Not to worry. They’ll burn the books next.”

No one is going to burn a history book and 500 years from now students can read the Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina or they can read Stephens’ Cornerstone Speech and they can read all about the Attack on Fort Sumter.


34 posted on 05/22/2017 3:23:15 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: Timpanagos1

“One can also walk into any library and read books on the Civil War.”

And when your leftist comrades start burning and censoring books, where does one go to read about the Civil War?


35 posted on 05/22/2017 4:18:09 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Timpanagos1
"No one is going to burn a history book and 500 years from now students can read the Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina or they can read Stephens’ Cornerstone Speech and they can read all about the Attack on Fort Sumter."

If either the Left or the Muslims have their way, said students will NOT have those history books. Both worldviews are doing "history cleansing" as we "speak" today.

36 posted on 05/22/2017 4:21:41 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: sergeantdave

Monuments do not have to exist in order to contextualize history. In fact, there are thousands upon thousands of events in history where participants are not honored with monuments, but are discussed in numerous texts.

For example, in New Orleans, there is no monument to the Union’s occupation of the city for almost the entirety of the Civil War, but I can read history and learn that New Orleans was never legitimately under the control of the Confedaracy.


37 posted on 05/22/2017 4:42:03 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: Wonder Warthog

History has always been cleansed.


38 posted on 05/22/2017 4:43:44 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: Timpanagos1

Don’t change the subject. I didn’t talk about monuments, did I? Changing the subject is a loser tactic.

Now go back to my post and answer my question. I’ll wait.


39 posted on 05/22/2017 5:34:30 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Terry Mross
This means the Civil War never happened.

So we can go back to calling it the War Between the States?

40 posted on 05/22/2017 5:41:41 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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