To the GOP.
Posted on 04/27/2017 6:26:17 PM PDT by Innovative
“”Repeal Obamacare immediately, go back to the way things used to be.”
Cannot be done. Senate rules require 60 or more votes. Never get the communists Democrats to go for it. Some of the bill can be reversed with the simple majority, 51 votes and that would be all that can be done. Not much but better than nothing. Hopefully we might be able in 2018 get some Republicans to outvote Democrat that are up for reelection.”
Obamacare was passed originally with just 51 votes. Don’t fall for that lie. Remember we elected Scott brown robing the democrats of their 60 vote majority just before the vote.
Instead of conceding to the wisdom of the electorate democrats just used an arrcane procedure to get around the 60 vote requirement.
Republicans can repeal and they can afrod to lose 2 votes to do it. That said those 2 senators should be primemaried as backstabbing traitors who can’t be trusted on any campaign promises..
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3548078/posts?page=18#18
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3548078/posts?page=24#24
What you said!
Good points; 0-care will collapse on its own.
President Trump alluded to that during the campaign.
Eddie Munster Jr. (Paul Ryan) has proven time and time again that he does not have the leadership ability to do the job of Speaker Of The House.
It’s long past the time when he should have been replaced.
If he was an honest man wanting to do what is right for the country he would immediately resign as Speaker.
The President campaigned on universal coverage better than the current, no medical underwriting, and the government paying if the citizen can't.
Why in the world would he want to replace the members supporting his position?
They will suffer the biggest loss ever in the midterms.
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Epic losses of historical proportions. Its a party that stands for nothing and is not worthy of being entrusted to manage anything. They are inept, unprincipled, and deceitful. The only reason people vote for the GOP is because they APPEAR to be the lesser of two evils.
GOP = Gutless Old Party
Very clever strategy that would probably work, which is why the Republicans won’t do it. They are total buffoons.
Somebody is gumming up the works, and it’s not by accident!
Gutless Obsequious Pussies
Your characterization of what the President called for is disingenuous, at best. Stop indulging your #NeverTrump impulses.
The President is perfectly happy with having the House Freedom Caucus on board, and with all of the changes they were insisting on.
During the campaign, Donald Trump called for measures to repeal and replace Obamacare, most of which his voters supported, such as bringing in free market forces, greatly increased competition, addressing the "selling across state lines" fiasco, etc.
I don't know why you're trying to disparage a bill that the President and the House Freedom Caucus agree on as a reasonable start to the process of repealing and relacing Obamacare.
It's time to be realistic and get things moving in the right direction. If this bill wasn't trying to do that, I don't think the House Freedom Caucus would be on board.
If you'd like to cast your lot with the GOP "moderates", who oppose this bill because it's too "extreme", that's your mistake.
This bill should be passed if the HFC supports it.
I think many, if not most, are worse than buffoons. They are in the RAT camp and merely hold the title of Republican because the fiction allows them to hold what they truly crave: Power and unearned prestige.
Exactly right. Even here on FR we have people still blaming the Freedom Caucus when the reality is the first attempt at rearrange and repair did not have the support of the liberal Republicans, but Trump singled out the Freedom Caucus for blame.
We don't know the exact whip count last month so you could be right or wrong saying that, but it really doesn't matter. There is only one thing that matters and that is that there is the (D)ummycrat party, and then there is everyone else. The trend is this ...
(D)emocrats ... party is distilled to uniformity
(R)epublicrats ... party is diluted to oblivion
There is no variance in the (D)ummycrat party ( blue dogs almost extinct ), but there is variety in (R)INOland.
The current score in the House where there are 435 voting members and 218 equals 50%+1 majority is approximately this ...
200 (D)ummycrats
205 (R)INOs
030 (C)onservatives
30 or so members ( and falling ) who carry the torch for the Constitution can pass NOTHING but they can block almost anything if 18 of them decide to do so. So yes, last month they probably did block the bill for good reasons. But no, there should be zero expectation for any bill that we are gonna like coming out of that distribution. It is wishful thinking to expect anything good, nothing more.
And while I hate Ryan as much or more than the next person, it wouldn't matter if the Speaker was Gingrich or Gohmert or Bratt or Bannon himself. Those 200+ RINOs never planned to repeal it ever, they just made a show of it while DingleBarry was in office since they knew he would never sign it. Now with President Trump who *will* sign it they will not dare pass it.
Freepers are smart folks and should look at those numbers and realize that the better the bill is for us, the less (R) votes it will get, period. Our choice is to swallow the bitter pill of a bad bill and tell the (C)aucus to vote for it ( unlike last month ) or realize nothing gets passed at all and the thing crashes and burns but remember that Trump did NOT run on that idea and also remember that it will probably damage him and us rather than the true culprits: Obama and his (D)ummycrat scum party.
But that's the math. Anyone who wants to argue that all they need to do is xxx can show their math and make the case rather than handwringing.
If no bill ever passes I would suggest that Trump make lemonade out of the situation and use it to declare war on the House (R)INOs and (D)ummies and take a page out of Reagan's playbook when he ( reportedly ) threatened to fly Air Force One into the members' districts and defeat them in the mid-terms. He actually didn't need to do it because of his sky-high approval ratings from the hostage release, the assassination attempt and the Sidra Top Gun turkey shoot. The House was majority (D) and never stood a chance against that ( but they did negotiate for deficit spending pork to accept the military buildup ).
Trump will actually have to go after them and they will need primaries too but that exposes another huge problem we have. Somehow an 'effin Romney got themselves installed at RNC. So we are truly screwed in the worst way. Uniparty is practically immune from challenge.
So once again Jon Ossoff’s body double fails
As soon as this illegal use of taxpayer money to cover insurance company losses stops, ObamCare dies
This year, ObamCare rates will sky rocket to even more unaffordable levels that we see today and many insures will withdraw
Next year ObamaCare costs explode
More accurate that there are 80+ RINOs, 60 or so conservatives and the rest are true moderates. As the largest bloc the RINOs rule the roost making up an out-sized share of the Leadership. So the net result is about as you say.
Trump has powerful tools against the RINO Leadership though. They don’t want to vote to appropriate the illegal subsidies for Obamacare- but they’ll have to without some ‘repel/replace’ plan in effect. So the new bill will pass next week- with just enough RINO votes.
(In general, his most powerful tool is the infrastructure increase. Everybody wants a piece of that.)
“Obama had been propping up ObamaCare massive fiscal losses by illegally diverting taxpayer money to cover massive insurance company losses”
Boy has the media done a terrific job of covering that up. It’s about 12 billion a year, that’s not chump change.
“Repeal Obamacare immediately, go back to the way things used to be.”
How many million little piggies will scream holy hell when you pull their teat away.
It’s having trouble in the house where the republicans have a big majority Can you imagine what will happen if it actually makes it ot the senate with a slim majority and all the Rinos there?
More accurate that there are 80+ RINOs, 60 or so conservatives and the rest are true moderates.
Those are very liberal definitions. To me, if they are not Constitutionalists, they are RINOs, republicans in name only, and all (R) "liberals" and "moderates" are therefore RINOs by definition IMHO.
If you believe there are only 175 (R)INOs and no less than 60 (C)onservatives then you are deluding yourself I'm sorry to say. You might be able to find 30 more (R) liars who will use the (C) description for themselves once every two years at election time in certain venues but we know how that goes. Wishful thinking does not cut it unfortunately. If these other 30 alleged (C)onservatives are too cowardly to join the freedom caucus then why even entertain the notion they are conservatives at all?
So to me, there are not 60 (C)onservatives in the House, hasn't been since the Gingrich 104th Congress and before that all the way back to the 1920's which was a different era entirely ( pre-FDR New Deal and the concept of conservatism back then is not even comparable ).
You would really have to go back to the Era Of Good Feelings when the Jeffersonians were in power and owned Congress after defeating the corrupted Federalists to see a majority of Constitutionalists ( for the last time too ), and even they proved a nuisance to Jefferson, Madison and Monroe by growing the FedGov ( albeit much slower than the Hamiltonians ). There is something in the water down there which turns them into pod people.
Anyway, this matters not. The (C)aucus cannot pass anything, period. They can only block. Everyone here needs to decide for themselves if they want them to pass a crappy bill or block it and all the attendant ramifications. It is a binary choice.
And we're not even talking about the Senate which gets the next bite at the bill, and then conference which bites it again. Point is, there is a whole lotta handwringing and energy being wasted over something that we conservatives have no control over whatsoever.
I should point out that there *are* several other things that are possible beyond this simple math, but we won't like them one bit. For example one is horse-trading, something we are trying to do away with as it is one of the reasons for the corruption in DC and our huge debt. Sure, some clever Speaker and Majority Leader can make deals to sway some of those (R)INOs to passing a more (C)onservative RINOcare bill, but do we want that? At what cost? I can see it now, leave NAFTA alone, less tax cuts, no wall, amnesty. Nothing good comes out of that IMHO. And then there is the strong arm tactics the (D)ummycrats used in 2009 keeping the House in session over Christmas and other things. These all step into ugly territory for my money.
There are no good options here. And we cannot scapegoat Ryan or Trump this time as we all elected a Congress full of Uniparty members. We are outnumbered 405-30 and falling and this trend began when they unseated Gingrich and took out Livingston and brought in Hastert and went full-on Uniparty once they successfully got those scalps. The only solution is radical change in the Congress which means getting as close to 535 Constitutionalists seated as possible, which would make saving America quite simple really.
To the GOP.
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