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BART takeover robbery: 40 to 60 teens swarm train, rob weekend riders
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 24 Apr 17 | Demian Bulwa and Michael Cabanatuan |

Posted on 04/24/2017 4:42:20 PM PDT by SkyPilot

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To: SkyPilot
Some of the robbers apparently held open the doors of a Dublin-bound train car while others streamed inside, confronting and robbing and in some cases beating riders.

I have ridden on a Dublin-bound train that passed through the Coliseum station.

61 posted on 04/24/2017 5:36:43 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Secret Agent Man

Wouldn’t surprise me if this swarming of the BART train car in such numbers weren’t unprecented — a new low.


62 posted on 04/24/2017 5:37:50 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: SkyPilot

“images cannot be shared publicly,”

But we know the reality of why she won’t release them.


63 posted on 04/24/2017 5:37:56 PM PDT by dynachrome (When an empire dies, you are left with vast monuments in front of which peasants squat to defecate)
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To: cmomm44

“wHEN THE FIRST 21 DROP DEAD-—THE REST WILL RUN LIKE HELL”

Recurring nightmare: out of ammunition in the face of the enemy.


64 posted on 04/24/2017 5:38:30 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dynachrome

There is much talk about “the talk.”

“Sean O’Reilly was 16 when his mother gave him the talk that most black parents give their teenage sons,” Denisa R. Superville of the Hackensack (NJ) Record tells us. Meanwhile, down in Atlanta: “Her sons were 12 and 8 when Marlyn Tillman realized it was time for her to have the talk,” Gracie Bonds Staples writes in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

Leonard Greene talks about the talk in the New York Post. Someone bylined as KJ Dell’Antonia talks about the talk in The New York Times. Darryl Owens talks about the talk in the Orlando Sentinel.

Yes, talk about the talk is all over.

There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too. My own kids, now 19 and 16, have had it in bits and pieces as subtopics have arisen. If I were to assemble it into a single talk, it would look something like the following.

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

(1) Among your fellow citizens are forty million who identify as black, and whom I shall refer to as black. The cumbersome (and MLK-noncompliant) term “African-American” seems to be in decline, thank goodness. “Colored” and “Negro” are archaisms. What you must call “the ‘N’ word” is used freely among blacks but is taboo to nonblacks.

“There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too.”

(2) American blacks are descended from West African populations, with some white and aboriginal-American admixture. The overall average of non-African admixture is 20-25 percent. The admixture distribution is nonlinear, though: “It seems that around 10 percent of the African American population is more than half European in ancestry.” (Same link.)

(3) Your own ancestry is mixed north-European and northeast-Asian, but blacks will take you to be white.

(4) The default principle in everyday personal encounters is, that as a fellow citizen, with the same rights and obligations as yourself, any individual black is entitled to the same courtesies you would extend to a nonblack citizen. That is basic good manners and good citizenship. In some unusual circumstances, however—e.g., paragraph (10h) below—this default principle should be overridden by considerations of personal safety.

(5) As with any population of such a size, there is great variation among blacks in every human trait (except, obviously, the trait of identifying oneself as black). They come fat, thin, tall, short, dumb, smart, introverted, extroverted, honest, crooked, athletic, sedentary, fastidious, sloppy, amiable, and obnoxious. There are black geniuses and black morons. There are black saints and black psychopaths. In a population of forty million, you will find almost any human type. Only at the far, far extremes of certain traits are there absences. There are, for example, no black Fields Medal winners. While this is civilizationally consequential, it will not likely ever be important to you personally. Most people live and die without ever meeting (or wishing to meet) a Fields Medal winner.

(6) As you go through life, however, you will experience an ever larger number of encounters with black Americans. Assuming your encounters are random—for example, not restricted only to black convicted murderers or to black investment bankers—the Law of Large Numbers will inevitably kick in. You will observe that the means—the averages—of many traits are very different for black and white Americans, as has been confirmed by methodical inquiries in the human sciences.

(7) Of most importance to your personal safety are the very different means for antisocial behavior, which you will see reflected in, for instance, school disciplinary measures, political corruption, and criminal convictions.

(8) These differences are magnified by the hostility many blacks feel toward whites. Thus, while black-on-black behavior is more antisocial in the average than is white-on-white behavior, average black-on-white behavior is a degree more antisocial yet.

(9) A small cohort of blacks—in my experience, around five percent—is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks—around half—will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that whites have it coming.

(10) Thus, while always attentive to the particular qualities of individuals, on the many occasions where you have nothing to guide you but knowledge of those mean differences, use statistical common sense:

(10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.

(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.

(10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).

(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.

(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.

(10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.

(10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.

(10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.

(10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.

(11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites. The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81; forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in countless everyday situations. “Life is an IQ test.”

(12) There is a magnifying effect here, too, caused by affirmative action. In a pure meritocracy there would be very low proportions of blacks in cognitively demanding jobs. Because of affirmative action, the proportions are higher. In government work, they are very high. Thus, in those encounters with strangers that involve cognitive engagement, ceteris paribus the black stranger will be less intelligent than the white. In such encounters, therefore—for example, at a government office—you will, on average, be dealt with more competently by a white than by a black. If that hostility-based magnifying effect (paragraph 8) is also in play, you will be dealt with more politely, too. “The DMV lady“ is a statistical truth, not a myth.

(13) In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (I’ll use IWSB as an ad hoc abbreviation.) You should consciously seek opportunities to make friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-destroying accusations of prejudice.

(14) Be aware, however, that there is an issue of supply and demand here. Demand comes from organizations and businesses keen to display racial propriety by employing IWSBs, especially in positions at the interface with the general public—corporate sales reps, TV news presenters, press officers for government agencies, etc.—with corresponding depletion in less visible positions. There is also strong private demand from middle- and upper-class whites for personal bonds with IWSBs, for reasons given in the previous paragraph and also (next paragraph) as status markers.

(15) Unfortunately the demand is greater than the supply, so IWSBs are something of a luxury good, like antique furniture or corporate jets: boasted of by upper-class whites and wealthy organizations, coveted by the less prosperous. To be an IWSB in present-day US society is a height of felicity rarely before attained by any group of human beings in history. Try to curb your envy: it will be taken as prejudice (see paragraph 13).

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

You don’t have to follow my version of the talk point for point; but if you are white or Asian and have kids, you owe it to them to give them some version of the talk. It will save them a lot of time and trouble spent figuring things out for themselves. It may save their lives.


65 posted on 04/24/2017 5:41:47 PM PDT by dynachrome (When an empire dies, you are left with vast monuments in front of which peasants squat to defecate)
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To: forgotten man
Misdemeanor for illegal carry. If you pull it on someone it escalates dramatically. If you shoot someone, even in an otherwise justifiable scenario, you're going to prison.

I moved out of that absolute sewer of a state in 2006 and don't ever plan on going back.

Yeah. Yeah. I know. "But the weather is so pretty!"

66 posted on 04/24/2017 5:43:14 PM PDT by LouAvul (The most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.)
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To: SkyPilot
One of the passengers managed to sneak a pic of the "minors." I can see why it was so hard to get a description of them.

Think we'll see a headline like this someday?


67 posted on 04/24/2017 5:43:43 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: SkyPilot

“Trost said police arrived at the station in under 5 minutes, but the robberies took place in just seconds. No officers were at Coliseum station at the time, but were patrolling Oakland stations, she said.”

Now, if the patrons had been armed, it might well have been a different story. BTW the Coliseum BART Station is “right close to Martin Luther King Blvd, and Brotherhood Way, so you should understand the “background” of the robbers. Just had a “note” from my Republican (yeah, I know, they’re rare here in CA) asking for my “input” on proposed “expansion” for BART.


68 posted on 04/24/2017 5:44:49 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: dsc

You only have to shoot one.

“Sand-people easily scare, but they’ll soon be back, and in greater numbers.”


69 posted on 04/24/2017 5:45:15 PM PDT by 31R1O
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To: SkyPilot

Glad each of you made it out okay.

That is a trap just waiting to happen.

Even if you’re armed and it’s a full rail car, how do you get off a clean shot?


70 posted on 04/24/2017 5:46:23 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Happy days are here again!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Yippie-Yi-Yay...Cow-Patti
71 posted on 04/24/2017 5:46:59 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: vladimir998

A KY State Policeman friend of mine was alone at an African
American bar in Louisville trying to break up a fight. Supposedly, 20-25 folks had him surrounded. He pulled his service weapon and that didn’t back them off.

He said, “you are first, and you are second, and you are third”, as he looked around at no one in particular. Everyone thought they would be first, he guessed, and they all backed up.

Worth a try, I guess.


72 posted on 04/24/2017 5:47:09 PM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: SkyPilot

Why I think it’s a bunch of feral black kids. Other groups of street savages have attacked normal people. No race is given. If it had been muzzies they would have raped and slashed someone.


73 posted on 04/24/2017 5:51:46 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Islam, not a religion, primarily a totalitarian political ideology aiming for world domination.)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

The article says the Saturday attack was the first in “recent memory”. I’d like to know how far back you’d have to go to find the previous such attack on a BART train. My guess is this is in fact the first *ever* with a group of attackers that large, and that the “in recent memory” bit is just there to downplay the fact that this is unprecedented. Could be wrong of course.


74 posted on 04/24/2017 5:57:51 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: SkyPilot
"the suspects appear to be minors."

I know it's spelled correctly, but this is still funny:


75 posted on 04/24/2017 6:01:21 PM PDT by PLMerite (Lord, let me die fighting lions. Amen)
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To: lonevoice

Absolutely terrifying.


76 posted on 04/24/2017 6:06:26 PM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: editor-surveyor

What do you think they would be allowed to do if had been there? STAND DOWN


77 posted on 04/24/2017 6:07:02 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: SkyPilot; editor-surveyor; forgotten man

OK, fine, maybe you’ll be charged with a felony if you draw your weapon.

The choice has to be, do I accept the possibility of death or injury for myself or my family or do I draw and shoot and take what punishment may result.

No-brainer, right?


78 posted on 04/24/2017 6:13:11 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Yardstick

The Saturday attack was the only one I ever heard of on a BART train since BART began carrying passengers in 1972. Therefore, the first time was also the last time, i.e. Saturday evening.


79 posted on 04/24/2017 6:13:35 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
I’ve been accosted and punched by “teens” in Ithaca, NY; Columbus, OH; Cleveland, OH; and Palo Alto, CA.

Wow, same ones following you around? Kidding aside, that's terrible. I've had my run-ins with blacks when I was younger, getting punched and beat up in SF. Like you, my situational awareness expanded. Plus I learned some martial arts. As for my daughter and son-in-law in Des Moines, they live less than a mile from MLK. When visiting, I know not to turn onto MLK because white faces quickly turn to black faces. Every city has it's MLK street/road/blvd/hwy - each with problems.

80 posted on 04/24/2017 6:14:16 PM PDT by roadcat
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