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The Traditional Parties Lost: France Will Now Choose between Two Outsiders, Macron and Le Pen
National Review ^ | 04/24/2017 | John Fund

Posted on 04/24/2017 6:59:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: france; lepen; macron
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To: Reily
You are absolutely right. The cheering for Le Pen on this site is amazing to me. The National Front is anti-semitic and very anti-Israel.

When you combine Nationalism with Socialism, you only need to add Aryan and Workers Party and you are fully there...

21 posted on 04/24/2017 7:56:30 AM PDT by fatez (Ya, well, you know, that's just your opinion man...)
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To: fatez

The alternative is worse.
We are talking about France after all..So, bell curve.
She at least recognizes muslims are a problem.
What did anyone expect that France would suddenly turn into America (post 1986) ?


22 posted on 04/24/2017 8:05:07 AM PDT by Leep (Cyclops Network News (CNN). The Most Trusted Source Of Fake News.)
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To: SeekAndFind

How is Macron an outsider? He was a member of Hollande’s administration.


23 posted on 04/24/2017 8:05:22 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: fatez

What a stupid response...

How can anyone expect much from France?
It’s France!
America was taking a speed train to socialism these last 30 years?
Once America is great again, if some loony leftist/commie/socialist doesn’t kill our President then maybe we have half a chance.
Until then it’s kind of hard to poo poo (other) socialist countries.
Otherwise, you must be for Macron?


24 posted on 04/24/2017 8:15:54 AM PDT by Leep (Cyclops Network News (CNN). The Most Trusted Source Of Fake News.)
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To: fatez

Not (post 1986) but pre-1986


25 posted on 04/24/2017 8:18:06 AM PDT by Leep (Cyclops Network News (CNN). The Most Trusted Source Of Fake News.)
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To: SeekAndFind

MAKE FRANCE GREAT AGAIN.


26 posted on 04/24/2017 8:21:46 AM PDT by wastedyears (Prophecy of sky Gods, the sun and moon)
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To: Leep
No I am not for Macron. France is hopeless. I want to visit it within the next 5 years because I really believe it is going down very quickly. Socialism is to ingrained in French DNA for it to ever turn around without a complete disaster.

Just my two cents and I probably overcharged :)

27 posted on 04/24/2017 8:22:44 AM PDT by fatez (Ya, well, you know, that's just your opinion man...)
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To: Leep

The National Front is very anti-Israel, that has not changed at all and in my opinion, anti-Israel is usually the flip side to the anti-semite coin.


28 posted on 04/24/2017 8:24:23 AM PDT by fatez (Ya, well, you know, that's just your opinion man...)
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To: fatez

Re your post 16: one step at a time. If she can successfully get France out of the EU, it should be easier to change their economics systems.


29 posted on 04/24/2017 8:26:55 AM PDT by wastedyears (Prophecy of sky Gods, the sun and moon)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; SeekAndFind; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; AuH2ORepublican
>> Only a decade ago, France’s two traditional major parties — the conservative Republicans and the Socialists — won 57 percent of the vote between them < <

Hmmm. Well, what passes for "conservative Republican" in France is to the LEFT of Hillary Clinton in the United States (even Sarkozy was considered the "most conservative" candidate in their party and that dope was "disappointed" in Obama for being as liberal as him on global warming). Given how left-wing their "conservative" parties are, I'd hate to see how their "centrists" will govern.

30 posted on 04/24/2017 8:27:37 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy

Europe got a more or less free ride on the wealth of America. This gave countries like France room to be lax.

I think the Muslim problems are serving to show that America can’t fix everything.


31 posted on 04/24/2017 8:29:55 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: BillyBoy

With this invasion, Left or Right really doesn’t matter right now.


32 posted on 04/24/2017 8:30:44 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: fatez; Leep

where can we reliably trace the doctrines of the National Front in France?

I find it hard to believe that Le Pen would want to continue that, not being as she is in the shadow of Donald Trump.


33 posted on 04/24/2017 8:32:26 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Leep
The alternative is worse..

I do not disagree with you at all on this. France has made some very bad decisions over the past 200 years and it has led to this. Le Pen is not the answer. But the French will not even look at the answer because they hate free markets and real liberalism.

Rousseau fathered modern France and has left her an orphan...

34 posted on 04/24/2017 8:33:06 AM PDT by fatez (Ya, well, you know, that's just your opinion man...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The Jerusalem Post is where I go to get info on France believe it or not. They have a real sober view of France in my opinion.


35 posted on 04/24/2017 8:34:49 AM PDT by fatez (Ya, well, you know, that's just your opinion man...)
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To: fatez; Impy; fieldmarshaldj
>> The cheering for Le Pen on this site is amazing to me. The National Front is anti-semitic and very anti-Israel. When you combine Nationalism with Socialism, you only need to add Aryan and Workers Party and you are fully there... <

I find it bizarre as well. That being said, the National Front have "moderated" some of their more odious positions since Marine took over the party and fired daddy, but she's also moved leftward and abandoned some of the few decent conservative views they have. National Front has always been far more fascist than conservative.

As for American conservatives giving National Front's vehemently anti-Jewish views a pass, look no further than the worship Hamas fanboy Justin Amash gets from Tea Party groups -- and UNLIKE National Front, which is BOTH anti-Jewish and anti-Muslim, Amash is anti-Jewish but a terrorist sympathizer. I love the irony of these tea party groups claiming Israel is "the most important issue" and giving lectures about how "if you won't stand with Israel, we won't stand with you" while they cheer on scumbags like that.

The sad thing is that anything resembling an actual conservative will be lucky to get 8th or 9th place in the French elections. I gave us hope long ago that France would elect anyone decent.

36 posted on 04/24/2017 8:35:22 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: dfwgator

Yeah, left and right are not the case as is who’s taking Qatar money to expand the Caliphate and who isn’t. The Uniparty is everywhere.


37 posted on 04/24/2017 8:38:22 AM PDT by txhurl (BOOM BOOM! - what is it - :)
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To: fatez

“The answer” is found in God.

Donald Trump rather obviously has his sails up to catch that divine Wind.

What will Le Pen actually do? People were complaining about Donald Trump’s background and found him instead to be a good team coach. Will Le Pen also let herself be moved by that Wind?

If she does, then French nationalism will find a godly side once more, and enmity towards Israel will abate. Israel isn’t telling Jews to move to France at any rate; if anything it’s inviting Jews to move FROM France (and everywhere else).


38 posted on 04/24/2017 8:38:29 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: fatez

What did they think of Trump pre-election? Were they all nervous about him?


39 posted on 04/24/2017 8:39:29 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: BillyBoy

Well said. We are letting our problems color the solutions in other countries. I am not a nationalist at all, I am a patriot and in my view they are very different. Nationalism in Europe has led to three hundred plus years of misery...


40 posted on 04/24/2017 8:39:45 AM PDT by fatez (Ya, well, you know, that's just your opinion man...)
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