End the Income Tax

Townhall.com ^ | April 24, 2017 | Katie Kieffer

[raybbr]

Really? Seriously? Ask lifelong addicts to simply stop stealing from their neighbors and friends to fuel their addiction? I LOL’ed.

[Mr. Douglas]

I’ll just post this once: Ignoring the FedGov itself, MILLIONS OF AMERICANS depend on the federal income tax for their livelihood. And this includes high paying and VERY high paying jobs in law, accounting and security.

The only way we’re getting rid of the federal income tax is a collapse of the federal government itself.

i.e. it will not be voluntarily.

So get used to it.

[Taxman]

Well, Ms. Keiffer did not go far enough!

She should have expanded her essay to make the case for replacing the income tax with the FAIRtax and abolishing the IRS!

Find out how you can help us do that at https://www.fairtax.org.

We will never be a FRee people so long as we have and income tax and an IRS!

PS If you would like to get on (or off of) my FAIRtax ping list, please FReepmail me.

[vooch]

good idea !

50% of Americans already pay no income tax. Let’s just liberate the other 50%

[RayChuang88]

We really need the flat tax that Steve Forbes proposed some 21 years ago.

The current income tax system has 75,000-plus pages of tax code so complex that it makes James Joyce's famously unreadable Finnegans Wake almost readable by comparison. And it's costing American residents over US$1 TRILLION per year in compliance and economic opportunity costs. No thank you.

Going to a flat tax like Forbes proposed would free up nearly $800 billion per year for more productive activities like actually growing a business. And that will trigger off the next American economic boom--a boom that will "raise the boat" of economies around the world in the long run.

While I like the idea of FairTax, we need this flat tax now so we have a transition period to put into place the entire mechanism for FairTax collections nationally before the income tax is finally phased out.

[Taxman]

LIBERATE AMERICA!

Replace the income tax with the FAIRtax and abolish the IRS!

[Neoliberalnot]

Look at who holds the majority of federal jobs. Last figure I saw, 32% were held by Africans and yet they are 13% of the population. The jobs have the highest pay for pushing paper, answering the phone, highest benefits and shortest years to full retirement. But, but, we have to do more.

[Neoliberalnot]

Count me in favor. National sales tax of about 10% is all that is needed and would end the freeloaders paying nothing.

[DoodleDawg]

bfl

[Neoliberalnot]

Fairtax is not fair, because too many people won’t pay a dime. National sales tax is fair since all people would pay a share.

[Neoliberalnot]

The fair tax is not fair. Too many people—millions-—would still pay nothing. National sales tax is the fairtax.

[Taxman]

Ray, the IRS is liken unto a cancer in the body politic!

A “Flat Tax” transition to the FAIRtax will get no farther than K street!

Even if we could pass legislation mandating a transition to FAIRtax, the Perfumed Princes of the Evil Inside the Beltway Crowd of special interest groups and lobbyists will bribe the Congress to restore the income tax to its place of prominence in the country.

Here is why: said Perfumed Princes get and maintain their power, perks and multi-million dollar salaries based on their ability to manipulate the federal tax code to their advantage and to We the People’s disadvantage.

FAIRtax totally abolishes, along with the income tax and the IRS, that “feature” of life inside the Evil Beltway!

That is why we need to go straight to the FAIRtax!

[Gen.Blather]

In 2008 there was only $900 billion dollars in circulation. Much of that money is in foreign banks, owned by foreigners and used to satisfy their nation’s debts with other nations. (That’s a unique and privileged position occupied by the United States. Obama tried to end this advantage by suggesting using a basket of currencies instead. Treason? I think so.)

Now, the US economy is worth much more than $900 billion but the economy doesn’t operate on cash. Actually, the cash aspect of the American economy is probably one of its smallest components. So, under the guise of an economic stimulus Obama added an addition $900 billion dollars. They just whipped it up out of nothing and threw it into the economy.

How did the economy respond? It was like hitting a dead man with a cardiac stimulator. Nothing happened. So, because Democrats throw money at every problem in 2010 they added an additional $900 billion. Again, nothing happened.

True, stock prices went up, but with the purchasing value of every pre-2008 dollar suddenly diluted the rise in stock prices merely reflected inflation. Okay, Democrats thought, maybe we were too fast with the cash. From that point they started adding $87 billion per month in something called “quantitative easing.” How did the economy respond? Nothing. Flat line.

If the government can simply wave a magic wand and get all the money it wants, why does it take taxes from citizens? Further, what is the hidden tax of diluting the money supply? (A coffee pot I bought at Walmart in 2008 was $8. The identical coffee pot a week ago was almost $14; a 57% increase. That, is a hidden tax on my savings.

Hey, Government! Just print whatever you want and leave my money alone. The tax will be paid in the increased cost you have leveled on savers.

[Neoliberalnot]

Nobody can possibly get used to this ridiculous, ever changing tax code. But, you are right, since the lawyers run it to their advantage, like they run all branches of government to their advantage, nothing will change. The time just for compliance costs 100 of billions. After spending 20 hours gathering and compiling paper, records, making lists, etc, I still was forced to pay my tax preparer, $595.

[Neoliberalnot]

Bfl? I know a thousand acronyms, but not that one. Pdq, pdq, Sid, po, pda, but not bfl

[Mr. Douglas]

I do my own taxes and I ALWAYS mail it in. Snail mail.

BTW, we’re on the same page.

I’ll throw this out, though: When I was a kid in the 60’s, I believed that eventually robots would make everything and even robots would make and repair the robots, which begged the question, what will people do?

I think this is the answer. Lots and LOTS of jobs exist because of government make-work. There is a reason people call SOX the “full IT employment act”. BAsically we are all like ants just running around doing stuff and getting paid for it. And often it is me taking a pebble to you for money, and then you taking the pebble to me for money, each of us getting paid by the other for our work, with the government getting a cut, which they use to pay others that do the same thing.

It’s why most JOBS are so unfulfilling. The purpose is to make money, and that’s about it. For the most part, only the self employed are truly happy in their work, and even they, often, are only in it for the money. What I LOVE doing (clearing my property, mowing the lawn, cutting firewood, building a deck, a chicken run, etc.) doesn’t pay. I work at a cubicle to actually finance my life.

And I’ve worked in tax departments of large corporations. :)

[Taxman]

The FAIRtax IS a National Retail Sales Tax!

How is it that you came to your conclusion that, under the FAIRtax, “too many people won’t pay a dime?”

Inasmuch as FAIRtax is imposed and collected at the point of final retail sale, every person who purchases NEW goods or pays for services WILL pay the FAIRtax.

The only LEGAL way to avoid the FAIRtax is to purchase used goods. All NEW goods and all services are taxed under the FAIRtax.

If one conspires with a merchant to avoid the tax, both merchant and tax cheater face a tax evasion penalty, not if, but when caught!

Please go to https://www.fairtax.org and read all about the FAIRtax.

[griswold3]

‘why does it take taxes from citizens?’
rhetorical question, right?
US Government taxes citizens to control them. Period.