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95% engineers in India unfit for software development jobs, claims report
PTI ^ | 4/20/17

Posted on 04/20/2017 6:32:14 AM PDT by markomalley

Talent shortage is acute in the IT and data science ecosystem in India with a survey claiming that 95% of engineers in the country are not fit to take up software development jobs.

According to a study by employability assessment company Aspiring Minds, only 4.77% candidates can write the correct logic for a programme -- a minimum requirement for any programming job.

Over 36,000 engineering students form IT related branches of over 500 colleges took Automata -- a Machine Learning based assessment of software development skills - and over 2/3 could not even write code that compiles.

The study further noted that while more than 60% candidates cannot even write code that compiles, only 1.4% can write functionally correct and efficient code.



"Lack of programming skills is adversely impacting the IT and data science ecosystem in India. The world is moving towards introducing programming to three-year-old! India needs to catch up," Aspiring Minds CTO and co-founder Varun Aggarwal said.

(Excerpt) Read more at gadgetsnow.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: h1b; india; software; technology
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Attention Mark Cuban -- we absolutely need to have more H1B's from India replacing Americans at Disney, etc.
1 posted on 04/20/2017 6:32:14 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

All the smart ones left........................


2 posted on 04/20/2017 6:35:09 AM PDT by Red Badger (Ending a sentence with a preposition is nothing to be afraid of........)
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To: markomalley

And yet they still call you “about your computer”.


3 posted on 04/20/2017 6:36:21 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (WKU 2016 Boca Raton Bowl Champions)
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To: markomalley

Both software and hardware engineers from India who have managed to get a job in the US are also fails


4 posted on 04/20/2017 6:37:07 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Red Badger

exactly- I’ve made a lucrative career out of fixing software outsourced to cheap labor. At twice the original cost.

They are giving away engineering degrees with 3 cereal box tops there, it seems.


5 posted on 04/20/2017 6:37:08 AM PDT by Mr. K (***THERE IS NO CONSEQUENCE OF OBAMACARE REPEAL THAT IS WORSE THAN KEEPING IT ONE MORE DAY***)
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To: Red Badger

Not that many smart ones in the IS either


6 posted on 04/20/2017 6:37:44 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Red Badger

They came over here on H1B.

This has shorted India.


7 posted on 04/20/2017 6:38:17 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: markomalley

95% unfit for Indian and Pakistani H1Bs about corresponds to my observations. Then again, my US born colleagues are about 70% unfit. 20% of us do about of the actual work. 80% do the other half.


8 posted on 04/20/2017 6:38:57 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Proudly deplorable since 2016)
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To: Mr. K

Those who overly depended on them will pay the price.


9 posted on 04/20/2017 6:39:19 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: markomalley
. . . more than 60% candidates cannot even write code that compiles, only 1.4% can write functionally correct and efficient code.

I would like to know the comparable numbers for American programmers. I suspect we are well short of 100% also, although probably much better than India, but I would like to know how big the difference is. I am okay with "functionally correct" but curious how strict their standard is for "efficient" code.

10 posted on 04/20/2017 6:41:52 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Nifster

I’ve met only three worth their salt in my entire 33 year career.


11 posted on 04/20/2017 6:43:01 AM PDT by Snowybear
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To: markomalley

All the ones I have met have been good. There is a language barrier sometimes but almost all Indian programmers have grown up in English-only school. They can read and write expertly. We taught them to speak Southern at Wrangler. Slowly and stretch out the words.

“Wheere ya’ll goin’ to luuunch ay-yut?”


12 posted on 04/20/2017 6:43:38 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: markomalley

“The study further noted that while more than 60% candidates cannot even write code that compiles, only 1.4% can write functionally correct and efficient code. “

But they sure can copy/paste!


13 posted on 04/20/2017 6:44:39 AM PDT by TexasGator
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The employability gap can be attributed to rote learning based approaches rather than actually writing programmes on a computer for different problems.

Rote learning is not going to get you very far in thinking outside the box, which is where good programming is done.

Also, there is a dearth of good teachers for programming, since most good programmers get jobs in industry at good salaries, the study said.

Rote learning, bad teachers. Garbage in, garbage out. Too bad.

14 posted on 04/20/2017 6:45:59 AM PDT by COBOL2Java ("Game over, man, game over!" (my advice to DemocRATs))
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The unpalatable truth is that most people can't become effective computer programmers, and getting a degree in computer science doesn't change that.

In the U.S., less than 10% of applicants for programming positions can pass even the simplest programming test.

Why Can't Programmers.. Program?

In other words, thus isn't unique to India. It's the nature of the business.

15 posted on 04/20/2017 6:49:12 AM PDT by jdege
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To: TexasGator
Most of my code is copy/paste these days. But I have been here 20 years. I recycle a lot of code. I suck at Groovy so much that I paste/edit everything. The syntax is horrible ""
16 posted on 04/20/2017 6:50:22 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: Mr. K; Nifster; HiTech RedNeck

Having recently dealt with professionally some Indian ‘engineers’, sent here by their company to work with us on a cooperative project between our two companies, I can attest to the fact that I had to ‘teach’ some really basic stuff to these ‘engineers’ while they were here.

I felt like I was teaching HS basic electronics to teens.........................


17 posted on 04/20/2017 6:51:14 AM PDT by Red Badger (Ending a sentence with a preposition is nothing to be afraid of........)
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To: markomalley

My experience has been that companies contract with the Indian companies on a fixed payment plan, regardless of man-hours worked. Along with the big time difference, they are able to put multiple “engineers” on a problem to fix it, as long as it’s fixed by the time we start here in the U.S. And, since, there is no difference in payment whether one person or 10 worked on the problem, we don’t care, since it’s fixed and the big wigs don’t have to worry about the cost.

I know that the bozo in India that “replaced” me a few years ago was a complete incompetent, chosen (I think) because he knew how to log on to a VM or MVS terminal and could spell the name of the application software we used.

Oh, well, I’m sure my former employer paid about 30% of my total compensation for his services, so they were happy.


18 posted on 04/20/2017 6:51:25 AM PDT by ssaftler (Better Alt-Right than Ctrl-Left.)
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To: COBOL2Java

Rote learning is the hallmark of India coders. They generally work in barbed wire compounds in large rooms of 50+ sitting side by side packed like sardines just coding their Jawa or whatever.


19 posted on 04/20/2017 6:52:47 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Pollster1
I would like to know the comparable numbers for American programmers. I suspect we are well short of 100% also, although probably much better than India, but I would like to know how big the difference is. I am okay with "functionally correct" but curious how strict their standard is for "efficient" code.

Hey, leave the inefficient code out there. More work opportunities for my company! Heh heh... :-)

My co-worker's last project had an app his team inherited that was opening and closing a cursor in the PHP code multiple times for no reason. He rewrote the code and upped the efficiency a ridiculous amount.

20 posted on 04/20/2017 6:53:19 AM PDT by COBOL2Java ("Game over, man, game over!" (my advice to DemocRATs))
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