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A Tax Reform Plan That May No Longer Work
Townhall.com ^ | April 19, 2017 | Terry Jeffrey

Posted on 04/19/2017 6:12:53 AM PDT by Kaslin

My father, who was born in 1922 and lived his teens and early twenties during the unfortunate reign of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, whimsically embraced a tax reform plan that he sardonically explained to me once or twice during his hard-working life.

The first step in this plan was to abolish the federal system of withholding taxes from a worker's paycheck -- a system enacted in 1943 by Roosevelt and a Democratic Congress.

FDR wanted not only to limit the size of an individual's income, but also to seize a large share of it before the individual could lay his own hands on it.

About five months after Pearl Harbor, he sent a message to Congress calling for confiscation of what he called "excess income."

"Discrepancies between low personal incomes and very high personal incomes should be lessened," Roosevelt said, "and I therefore believe that in time of this grave national danger, when all excess income should go to win the war, no American citizen ought to have a net income, after he has paid his taxes, of more than $25,000 a year."

In his budget message to Congress the following January, FDR called for what he described as a "pay-as-you-go" tax system. This did not mean the government would only spend as much as it brought in through taxes each year. It meant that employers would be required to pay a worker's federal taxes directly to the government rather than paying a worker the entirety of his earnings and letting him or her deal with the government about how much the government was entitled to take.

FDR pitched his "pay-as-you-go" plan as a way to "simplify" the tax system.

"It is more important than ever before to simplify taxation both for taxpayers and for those collecting the tax, and to put our taxes as far as feasible on a pay-as-you-go basis," he said in his January 1943 budget message.

The Democrat Congress gave FDR this power over private-sector paychecks in the Current Tax Payment Act.

Two years later, World War II ended. But ever since then, through war and peace, employers have paid part of their workers' earnings directly to the federal government rather than to the workers themselves.

The second part of the whimsical plan my father embraced -- after ending withholding -- was to require workers go to two windows every payday.

The first, as I recall, would be at their employer. Here, they would receive their pay in cash. The second would be at a government office. Here, they would wait in line -- just as they would at the DMV -- to pay, in cash, the taxes the government claimed they owed.

All deception would be removed from this system: Taxpayers would know exactly what they were getting paid and exactly what they were paying the government.

I believe the rationale for the plan was this: When workers saw how much the government was seizing from their earnings, they would become conservatives and never again elect a president like Roosevelt or a Congress like the one that gave Roosevelt the withholding tax.

The size of the government would shrink. America would remain a nation of free and self-sufficient people.

There may never have been any real chance of enacting the pay-in-cash-on-payday plan, but, as time goes forward, the odds that such a plan would have the desired effect have grown progressively smaller.

Today, if workers had to go to a tax window every two weeks to personally deal with the IRS, many millions of them would not be handing money over to the government, the government would be handing money over to them.

An Internal Revenue Service report indicates that 52,062,499 tax-return filers in 2014 paid no federal income taxes. That equaled 35 percent of all tax-return filers that year. 31,129,405 not only paid no income taxes, they received a combined $90,276,007,000 in refundable tax credits.

Last month, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, there were 22,381,000 workers employed directly by local, state and federal government. That was far more than were employed in manufacturing (12,392,000) or in retail trade (15,855,000).

As of January, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, there were 74,493,736 individuals enrolled in Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program -- up 16,658,266 since the opening of the Obamacare exchanges.

There were also, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, 42,715,121 on food stamps.

Just as no Congress after FDR had the courage to abolish the withholding tax, no Congress has had the courage to actually reverse the upward trajectory of federal entitlement programs.

There are now three groups in the United States: Those who work for the government, those who benefit from the government and those who pay for the government.

How long can the third group sustain the growth of the first two?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 115th; makesnosense; taxes; terryjeffrey; trump45; trumptaxcuts; whackythread
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To: dhs12345
Besides it's none of their business. Let them show their tax returns to the public.

They won't though.

21 posted on 04/19/2017 7:00:13 AM PDT by Kaslin ( The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triump. Thomas Paine)
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To: TexasGator

Designed also to read the reply before clicking the post button.


22 posted on 04/19/2017 7:03:59 AM PDT by Kaslin ( The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triump. Thomas Paine)
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To: freedumb2003

The henkster family doesn’t like watching game shows with me because I’m always the downer who says “Yeah, but after taxes it will only be X”.

Thread drift is the best thing here.


23 posted on 04/19/2017 7:04:11 AM PDT by henkster (Orwell, Rand and Huxley would not be proud of our society, but they'd have no trouble recognizing it)
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To: henkster
Penalties for not withholding enough are minimal. But if folks had to pay once a year, or have it confiscated from their pay for the following 3 months...they'd be PISSED at the size of government.

Still, when you have 30 million people who pay nothing in but receive (on average) $3,000 back...you've bought a huge block of votes! The flat tax cannot pass because the tax welfare recipients would never tolerate it. There would be rioting in the streets!

"You mean...because I paid nothing in, I get nothing back? That's unfair!"

24 posted on 04/19/2017 7:08:47 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Kaslin

Actually I read before posting and corrected an autofill.


25 posted on 04/19/2017 7:08:59 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: freedumb2003

Tax slavery. Too bad the takers don’t have to spend 25% of their “workday” time on behalf of the gov’ts. It’s not so much the money, it’s the theft of time that matters.


26 posted on 04/19/2017 7:09:17 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: freedumb2003; Admin Moderator
What do you mean the original headline? That is the original headline. I did make a typo in the first name of the author though. Instead of Terry, I typed Rerry. Please note that the letter "R" is right next to the letter "T"

I asked the Admin moderator to correct it, but he must be still sleeping

27 posted on 04/19/2017 7:17:01 AM PDT by Kaslin ( The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triump. Thomas Paine)
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To: newgeezer
Last month, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, there were 22,381,000 workers employed directly by local, state and federal government.

And millions upon millions who are simply paid by the government to exist

28 posted on 04/19/2017 7:18:45 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Love your neighbor as you love yourself.)
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To: Kaslin

Agreed. But their point is “pointless” because they could care less about his taxes. They have proven that they will never be happy.


29 posted on 04/19/2017 7:22:24 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: TexasGator
Obviously you think you did, but didn't.

Look close.


30 posted on 04/19/2017 7:30:50 AM PDT by Kaslin ( The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triump. Thomas Paine)
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To: Kaslin

I did. I corrected the original autofill error. I am on a phone and didn’t think t he extra p you are making such a big deal made the post not understandable.


31 posted on 04/19/2017 7:35:48 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: dhs12345

Exactly


32 posted on 04/19/2017 7:36:16 AM PDT by Kaslin ( The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triump. Thomas Paine)
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To: TexasGator; Admin Moderator

Well the extra p doesn’t bother me, everyone makes mistakes. What bothers me is that the admin moderator ignores my request to correct the typo in the first name of the author, even though I asked him nicely.


33 posted on 04/19/2017 7:42:50 AM PDT by Kaslin ( The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triump. Thomas Paine)
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To: Kaslin

“The title is correct, I did make a typo though, in the first name of the author.”

The title was showing something like ‘Time to take the handcuffs off with the protestors’.


34 posted on 04/19/2017 7:45:58 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Kaslin
My little joke wasn't directed to you. It was made after I saw this! --------------------------------------------------- "To: Kaslin “Campus protesters” are probably not affiliated with the universities. Many are either “clingons” or professional protesters/Black Flag who come in for the riot. 2 posted on ‎4‎/‎19‎/‎2017‎ ‎9‎:‎16‎:‎25‎ ‎AM by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
35 posted on 04/19/2017 7:48:15 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Kaslin

Good article. I’ve heard that concept of having people actually pay their taxes out of their pocket and they would all be for smaller government. But with the refundable tax credits that doesn’t work. When my kids just started out in life and they would get big tax refunds, they just didn’t understand why I was always complaining about taxes all their lives. Funny thing when they started making enough that they had to pay more taxes and the refunds stopped, they would tell me that now they understood.


36 posted on 04/19/2017 8:21:07 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Kaslin

Tax reform would happen almost immediately with two changes in our tax code: First, make tax day November 1st...immediately before an election. Second, eliminate withholding so that taxpayers would have to write a huge check to pay their taxes. If taxpayers saw what they are paying right before an election, most of Congress would voted out of office and tax reform would quickly follow.


37 posted on 04/19/2017 8:21:55 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcherhttp://www.stone)
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To: henkster

When my son started his business I explained to him that he had to pay all his own payroll taxes, insurance, etc. And to set the price of his services accordingly. When he saw his tax bill, he thanked me for that advice.


38 posted on 04/19/2017 8:25:20 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: henkster

Or the employees that claim episode to 99 dependents on their W4. I would warn them that they could get into trouble, and most of them did. A year or two later, I would get garnishment orders and instructions to deduct their taxes at single and one.


39 posted on 04/19/2017 8:31:11 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Kaslin

Election day should be April 16.


40 posted on 04/19/2017 10:36:36 AM PDT by Joe Bfstplk (A Irredeemable Deplorable Texan)
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