Posted on 03/31/2017 7:13:18 AM PDT by xzins
The FC demand it be repealed.
Trump always said he would keep it.
Add those together and that is why there is no bill. Keep that and you cant repeal the rest wo killing off insurance all together.
The “freedom caucus” is playing a shell game.
My former rep is in it and you couldn’t find a more ambitious climbing careerist inside the beltway. He wanted to run for Rubio’s Senate seat. No way in heck he would ever vote to repeal the pre-existing condition waiver given that he wants to win a state wide race in FLORIDA.
The “Freedom Caucus” is a beltway theater scam, IMO. All talk. No results. Sad to see a lot of good folks gaslit by these self interested career politicians who care nothing for them.
Since you won’t give any names, I guess you are admitting that NONE of them are pro-amnesty as you first indicated.
Now will you admit that contrary to what you just said, the FC DID in fact fight against the Obama, Ryan, McConnell, Pelosi, Reid budgets?
It really isn’t surprising that they are now fighting against the Trump, Ryan, McConnell, Pelosi, Shumer healthcare plan.
Conservatives look at issues, not people. When Saint Donald advocates positions that are similar to the Kenyan's positions he will rightly be equated with him. When he advocates good positions he won't be.
You don't see the Freedom Caucus or anyone here fighting against his immigration policies. You don't see the FC or anyone here fighting against his foreign policies.
You DO see them fighting against his Obamacare light because he is breaking his promise. He said he would repeal it. Trumpcare was not going to do that. It was only going to nibble at the edges.
If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.
They did not fight. Congress never opposed a single Obama budget.
Free Caucus supported Paul Ryan for speaker.
All of them are “vote on the resolution” type politicians, because they don’t mind being counted when they know it don’t count.
Everything they’ve ever gained is because TRUMP pushed it.
Now, click on this link and look at the date this was published.
http://jordan.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=397970
Do you see where it says October 28, 2015? And then right below that if you read the statement it says, "The House Freedom Caucus strongly opposes this deal and will vote against it on the House floor.
So, will you admit you were wrong on this too?
Yep, and the ones who screamed at them for doing nothing against Obama are now screaming at Trump for rolling back Obama in “unapproved” ways
No. Show votes are all over the place. The tell was the vote for Ryan.
And we also know how amnesty votes were played, too, via TPP, TPA, etc.
Voting yes or no when it doesn’t count doesn’t mean a thing.
What counted was the speaker vote.
Ryan?
The guy that crafted the legislation that we are now debating about?
Ryan?
The one who the FC is now NOT supporting but Trump IS supporting?
Ryan?
You are saying that because the FC couldn't recruit a better candidate for Speaker (AFTER THEY GOT RID OF BOEHNER) and they held their nose and voted for Ryan...they are somehow bad. All this despite the fact that Ryan is the one who Trump is siding with as it relates to government run health care????
Ryan?
Are you on drugs?
They supported Ryan for speaker and that is why Ryan is the speaker Trump must deal with.
HFC got some improvements in the Bill.
Trump is the President, and leader of the Party, not to mention leader of the MAGA movement.
HFC needs to get their say . . . then back his play . . . on everything.
There is no other choice. One of their “purists” will NEVER BE ELECTED POTUS. Trump is all they’ve got . . . all We’ve got as Americans.
He’s the president they have for the next 4 years, so you’d think they’d be ecstatic that he’s on their side.
“Nevertrumpers were correct”
You think a Ted Cruz would have got a bill through? A Jeb Bush?
Would they have tried?
It seems to me that there are two different genres of #NeverTrumpers: RINOs, and some actual Conservatives. We lump the two together at our peril.
Trump is doing great work in many areas, but his joining with Ryan on Obamacare 2.0 was rightly opposed by the FC. With government health care, reportedly one sixth of the economy, in place in any form it will eventually undermine virtually any other gain that Trump might accomplish, especially in subsequent administrations. It is cancer.
Trump decided to join with RINO/GOPe and fight the Freedom Caucus.
IMHO...wrong choice. Working with GOPe, or Democrats, furthers our demise. Working with conservatives can only be a good thing.
Ryans bill never was intended to Repeal Obamacare, it repealed most of it, but kept sevearl Key factors, I support Trump but IMO your going after the wrong guy. If you wanna be ticked, which is your right, Trump is the guy to be ticked off at, not Ryan.
So its NOT simple, no wheres near very very simple. You may not like the proposal which is your right, but Nobody who was trying to pass this bill was able to, and I think it is unfair, and unwarranted to place the blame on Ryan. Again, you did not say WHY you blame Ryan? He does not sign the bill, he can author it, but at the end of the day, Trump signs it, and only after getting Republicans and Democrats to agree enough to pass it. That did not happen. JMO.
> WHY you blame Ryan? He does not sign the bill, he can author it, but at the end of the day, Trump signs it, and only after getting Republicans and Democrats to agree enough to pass it.
You answer your own question.
There are only 19 of them! Let’s see 19 v 410 or so..... That total can’t win unless they all name themselves Mohammed.
Sounds as if Jim himself is perplexed. So we are in good company now. lol
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