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The ideas set out by Martin Luther sparked a reformation in the idea of authority itself
History Today ^ | March 22, 2017 | By Frank Furedi

Posted on 03/25/2017 11:20:07 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

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To: Chicory

Keep in mind that a lot of biblical prophecy is not about “telling the future” but about God specifically bringing something to pass b/c He wants it to come to pass (sounds similar, but two somewhat different concepts here). The fact that God made a law to regulate the monarchy shows He intended for them to have a monarchy. It wasn’t some accident that God had to suddenly come up with a fix for.


21 posted on 03/26/2017 5:00:13 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Bring back lords and kings)
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To: tired&retired
I spent a few days in the Vatican and then went directly to the reformation museum in Geneva. What a sharp contrast!!!

Could you elaborate?

22 posted on 03/26/2017 5:02:15 AM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: nathanbedford

Exactly. Luther’s religious ideas were translated into political ideas.

This is where “self governance” was born, where each man is a sovereign.


23 posted on 03/26/2017 5:05:06 AM PDT by djf ("She wore a raspberry beret, the kind you find in a second hand store..." - Prince)
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To: nathanbedford

Agreed. The USA would not exist without the notion of the sovereignty of the individual. Luther’s Theses meant nothing without that concept.


24 posted on 03/26/2017 5:05:12 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Understand the Left: "The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the Revolution.")
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To: Yashcheritsiy
Luther started the process, but it was Calvin who really legitimized the idea of burning Catholics at the stake.

God knows, the Roman Catholic church never burned or tortured anyone. LOL !!!

Are you familiar with the law of sowing and reaping?

25 posted on 03/26/2017 5:06:03 AM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: iowamark

Your link goes on to say this:

“Furedi is associated with the web journal Spiked Online. Furedi maintains that society and universities are undergoing a politically driven ‘dumbing down’ process which is manifest in society’s growing inability to understand and assess the meaning of risk. The rise of the environmental and green movements parallels society’s growing obsession with risk. Furedi also attacks the scientific consensus on global warming,[5] and has criticised the prominent role played by science in policy formation.[6] As a humanist educator, he is critical of the attempt to subject schooling to technocratic and instrumentalist policy making.[7]

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In 2008 he criticised opponents of American vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin on the Spiked website.[8] He claims: ‘It seems that even fervent advocates of women’s rights will adopt outdated and chauvinistic moral rhetoric when targeting a woman they do not like.’”


26 posted on 03/26/2017 5:25:32 AM PDT by Chicory
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To: nathanbedford; Tench_Coxe; buffyt; Brad from Tennessee
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27 posted on 03/26/2017 5:25:40 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
"Indeed, the Scripture teaches lords and kings, not presidents and democracy."

I'm sure that's true in the ------> KING <------ James Bible. But what about the Geneva Bible?

You ever thought that propping up kings under the guise of Biblical premise is a reason why James had the Geneva Bible banned and his own preferential version printed?

The Geneva Bible is known to be unflattering to monarchs. It was also known to be a popular version among the first settlers of the new world.

28 posted on 03/26/2017 5:37:46 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to "the historians" anymore.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely - and Luther saw the result in the very human institution of the Roman Catholic Church. It could no longer claim many aspects of its writ were either “divine” or “divinely inspired”.


29 posted on 03/26/2017 5:45:49 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: onedoug

Ping


30 posted on 03/26/2017 6:07:10 AM PDT by stylecouncilor ("The future ain't what it used to be." Yogi Berra)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

there is a vast difference between authority as exercised in the world today, and absolute authority as exercised by Popes and monarchs of yesterday.


31 posted on 03/26/2017 6:14:15 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
a chain of events that fundamentally undermined the idea of authority itself.

PRESUMED authority maybe ...

32 posted on 03/26/2017 6:18:12 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: stylecouncilor

Unfortunately, he became quite anti-Semitic.


33 posted on 03/26/2017 6:34:43 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The perversion of the Catholic church was easy to see.


34 posted on 03/26/2017 6:50:49 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticides, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: nathanbedford

Nicely said, and I agree.


35 posted on 03/26/2017 6:52:40 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticides, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: JesusIsLord

for starters...Vatican was lots of ornate gold everything. Icons everywhere... The reformation church was pure white walls with no icons or distractions.....

to be continued....


36 posted on 03/26/2017 8:14:07 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Poor old Luther .. (no I am not a Lutheran) but the war against him misses who really has authority .. since the beginning .. and authority, sure was NOT passed off to some ‘man’ elected’ character calling himself ‘holy father’...

The next reformation will leave NO doubt about WHO has authority and WHO is in control.


37 posted on 03/26/2017 8:22:13 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The Word of God was not enough..along came “religion”, a particular system of faith and worship...becoming a kaleidoscope of faiths, many were forms of law and order...none are better than other.


38 posted on 03/26/2017 8:36:46 AM PDT by yoe
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To: Yashcheritsiy

He who lives by the sword dies by the sword.


39 posted on 03/26/2017 8:50:02 AM PDT by BipolarBob (I've wasted enough time eating mushrooms and conversing with hookah smoking caterpillars.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Thank you for an educational and enlightening post. I had never heard of the Geneva Bible. I did some internet searching. Planning to buy one now!

Thanks again! And God bless you.


40 posted on 03/26/2017 9:56:23 AM PDT by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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