The ideas set out by Martin Luther sparked a reformation in the idea of authority itself

History Today ^ | March 22, 2017 | By Frank Furedi

[hopespringseternal]

Way to ignore 1 Samuel. Deuteronomy is not authorizing a king, it is preventing them from selecting a foreigner to be king.

Thankfully, you monarchists have as much relevance to modern society as flat earthers and you are about as rational.

[af_vet_1981]

The ideas set out by Martin Luther sparked a Holocaust against the Jews. He laid out the 7 point plan.

[Jacob Kell]

While I don’t approve of what Luther said about the Jews, I don’t believe that he espoused killing them all, even killing Christians of Jewish descent. Nazi Anti-Semitism, was racial in background-ewe were considered irredeemably inferior racially. Also, Anti-Semitic sentiments were hardly unknown in “Christian” Europe independently of Luther-he just happened to be good with his poison pen.

[af_vet_1981]

While I don’t approve of what Luther said about the Jews, I don’t believe that he espoused killing them all, even killing Christians of Jewish descent.

1. He wrote for revoking any protection for the Jews: "Do not grant them protection, safe­conduct, or communion with us.... .With this faithful counsel and warning I wish to cleanse and exonerate my conscience."
2. He wrote that a military troop should kill them when they travel (even though he called for them to be evicted) : Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside, since they are not lords, officials, tradesmen, or the like. Let them stay at home. I have heard it said that a rich Jew is now traveling across the country with twelve horses his ambition is to become a Kokhba devouring princes, lords, lands, and people with his usury, so that the great lords view it with jealous eyes. If you great lords and princes will not forbid such usurers the highway legally, some day a troop may gather against them, having learned from this booklet the true nature of the Jews and how one should deal with them and not protect their activities. For you, too, must not and cannot protect them unless you wish to become participants in an their abominations in the sight of God. Consider carefully what good could come from this, and prevent it.
3. He was willing to drown Jews whose conversion experience he doubted: In 1541, Doctor Menius asked Doctor Luther, in what manner a Jew should be baptized? The Doctor replied: You must fill a large tub with water, and, having divested the Jew of his clothes, cover him with a while garment. He must then sit down in the tub, and you must baptize him quite under the water. The ancients, when they were baptized, were attired in white, whence the first Sunday after Easter, which was peculiarly consecrated to this ceremony, was called dominica in albis. This garb was rendered the more suitable, from the circumstance that it was, as now, the custom to bury people in a white shroud; and baptism, you know, is an emblem of our death. I have no doubt that when Jesus was baptized in the river Jordon, he was attired in a white robe. If a Jew, not converted at heart, were to ask baptism at my hands, I would take him on to the bridge, tie a stone round his neck, and hurl him into the river; for these wretches are wont to make a jest of our religion. Yet, after all, water and the Divine Word being the essence of baptism, a Jew, or any other, would be none the less validly baptized, that his own feelings and intentions were not the result of faith.

[Flying Circus]

Geneva sounds dreary and bland by comparison. I always sense an emptiness in Protestant churches, like something terrifically important that just isn’t to be found there.

[BlueDragon]

Well put, well written.

[tired&retired]

When the external distraction is gone it allows one to perceive the inner jewel that is the true treasure.

[Elsie]

It is unlikely that Martin Luther set out to shatter authority.

And you can still find FR Catholics that swear by the AUTHORITY of the One, True Church!

[Elsie]

Luther started the process, but it was Calvin who really legitimised the idea of burning Catholics at the stake.

What ELSE can ya do when the price of OIL is so high?

http://www.romeartlover.it/Torture.html

[Elsie]

(Bring back lords and kings)

And powerful popes; too?

[Elsie]

Indeed, the Scripture teaches lords and kings, not presidents and democracy.

What?

This snippet of scripture 'teaches' a bit MORE; in context.

deuteronomy 17:8-

Law Courts

⁸ If cases come before your courts that are too difficult for you to judge—whether bloodshed, lawsuits or assaults—take them to the place the Lord your God will choose. ⁹ Go to the Levitical priests and to the judge who is in office at that time. Inquire of them and they will give you the verdict. ¹⁰ You must act according to the decisions they give you at the place the Lord will choose. Be careful to do everything they instruct you to do. ¹¹ Act according to whatever they teach you and the decisions they give you. Do not turn aside from what they tell you, to the right or to the left. ¹² Anyone who shows contempt for the judge or for the priest who stands ministering there to the Lord your God is to be put to death. You must purge the evil from Israel. ¹³ All the people will hear and be afraid, and will not be contemptuous again.

The King

¹⁴ When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you and have taken possession of it and settled in it, and you say, “Let us set a king over us like all the nations around us,” ¹⁵ be sure to appoint over you a king the Lord your God chooses. He must be from among your fellow Israelites. Do not place a foreigner over you, one who is not an Israelite. ¹⁶ The king, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself or make the people return to Egypt to get more of them, for the Lord has told you, “You are not to go back that way again.” ¹⁷ He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.

¹⁸ When he takes the throne of his kingdom, he is to write for himself on a scroll a copy of this law, taken from that of the Levitical priests. ¹⁹ It is to be with him, and he is to read it all the days of his life so that he may learn to revere the Lord his God and follow carefully all the words of this law and these decrees ²⁰ and not consider himself better than his fellow Israelites and turn from the law to the right or to the left. Then he and his descendants will reign a long time over his kingdom in Israel.  (This worked out well!)

[Elsie]

1 Samuel 8:7

The LORD said to Samuel, “Listen to the voice of the people in regard to all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me from being king over them.

[Elsie]

It was also known to be a popular version among the first settlers of the new world.

Well; since the Niña, Pinta, and Santa Maria landed in 1492 and the KJV would not come along until 1611; I can see WHY!!

[Elsie]

...but I'd bet that the Geneva was NOT found on these 3 SPANISH ships!

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List of Spanish translations ^[8][edit]

• Biblia Alfonsina, 1280.
• Biblia del Duque de Alba, 1430.
• Antiguo Testamento del rabino Salomón, 1420.
• Antiguo Testamento de traductor anónimo, 1420.
• Nuevo Testamento de Francisco de Enzinas, 1543.
• Ferrara Bible, 1553.
• Nuevo Testamento de Juan Pérez de Pineda, 1556.
• Reina o "Biblia del Oso" (RV), 1569, revised in 1602 by Cipriano de Valera (see Reina-Valera).
• Biblia del padre Scío de San Miguel, 1793.
• Valera1865, Valera 1602 reprinted by the America Bible Society, revised by Dr. Ángel de Mora, 1865.
• Versión Moderna, 1893.
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• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_translations_into_Spanish

 

Or it may have been a LATIN bible...

• Catholic translations
• or older...
• Jewish translations

 

[Elsie]

The ideas set out by Martin Luther sparked a Holocaust against the Jews. He laid out the 7 point plan.

Damn that Luther!!!

[Elsie]

Oh... WAIT!!!

Spanish Inquisition

The Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition, commonly known as the Spanish Inquisition (Inquisición española), was established in 1478 by Catholic Monarchs Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile. It was intended to maintain Catholic orthodoxy in their kingdoms and to replace the Medieval Inquisition, which was under Papal control.

Spanish Inquisition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Elsie]

I guess that 3 of seven is a good start...

[Elsie]

I always sense an emptiness in Protestant churches, like something terrifically important that just isn’t to be found there.

We hear ya!!

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The 15 promises

(Given to St. Dominic and Blessed Alan de la Roche)

1	Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive powerful graces.
2.	I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.
3.	The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies
4.	It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.
5.	The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.
6.	Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying Himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise Him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life.
7.	Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.
8.	Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise.
9.	I  shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.
10.	The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.
11.	You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.
12.	All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.
13.	I  have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death
14.	All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ.
15.	Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.

 

"The Most Holy Virgin in these last times in which we live has given a new efficacy to the recitation of the Rosary to such an extent that there is no problem,

no matter how difficult it is, wheter temporal or above all spiritual, in the personal life of each one of us, of our families...that cannot be solved by the Rosary.

There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we cannot resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary."

Sister Lucia dos Santos

[Elsie]

Geneva sounds dreary and bland by comparison.

I can understand...

[Elsie]

Tell me the old, old story..
How a Savior came from glory...