Posted on 03/25/2017 6:22:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Jim,
I read all of this and I do not understand what it is that you are confessing to,
nor do I understand what it is that you think you ‘need’ to confess to.
There are many reasons why we have Donald Trump as our president,
and in my humble opinion, the main reason is that he is an
‘outsider’, not part of the ‘GOPe”, and not beholden to anyone,
and a lot of people were just tired of all of that bullshit.
(gee, what do you think, should we elect another Clinton or another Bush?)
Donald Trump is a ‘citizen’ president, and it is something
that no one in our generation (or generations prior) have ever seen.
I do not think we should loose hope in our president,
just because the congress can’t get their act together.
May GOD bless you and your family.
May GOD bless the Republic.
R17
I’m a little late to the thread, but great summary of the story so far, Jim, and YES, we did dodge (at least) two bullets. There probably are more— there’s more to the Flynn story than is being told, the CIA/Deep State attacks, etc. Stay strong; Trump is not defeated, and neither are we.
Politics was always “as usual” and now it’s never been so interesting.
Oh how I love Donald Trump!!!!!
Being a primary-Cruz / general-Trump guy as well, I too thought a Trump/Cruz ticket would have been a unifying and very practical combo.
For a timely example: If Cruz were VP right now, we would not today all be rationalizing why our 3d chess playing savior just got whipped first round at the checkers tournament.
Because Cruz himself would then be the guy his latest idea relies upon. As VP, he himself would be the Senate rule 'decider' and could implement his latest plan to get the effect of nukes without using actual rule changes.
Which means we'd be able to do this thing right. Go Big and Go Bold in defense of Freedom - for a real refreshing change.
This Ryan/Trump-care bill was always a bad idea and the way they used the same old secrecy, then fast-track and strong-arm crap was very lame. But revealing. Freedom now knows who is trustworthy.
And FreeRepublic now knows certain folks here, though not necessarily bad folks in general, are less than worthy voices for Freedom. Yes, I mean those who quite ridiculously claim the House Freedom Caucus are the bad guys.
“If I am right then a health care or insurance law enacted by a Republican congress or government would be equally unconstitutional, regardless of whether it is better or worse than Obamacare.”
The Ryan bill cut 1.2 trillion from Obamacare according to the CBO.
Did Ryan repeal it all? No. You need 60 votes for that. Obamacare was enacted with 60 votes. Ryan “only” cut 1.2 trillion from it.
Ryan also defunded planned parenthood, etc. Ryan added nothing to Obamacare. He only subtracted. His bill was 100% constitutional.
The Ryan bill was the moral, Christian choice. Unfortunately, Obama bought many republicans with his government subsidies. In exchange for a few bucks of government money, many decided to oppose the Ryan bill and save Obamacare along with planned parenthood funding, etc.
I agree 100%. If Rynocare passed, the House and Senate would have been lost in the mid-terms. Ryan was exposed as the sleazy, low-life that he is during this process. He wanted to pass this piece of crap to undermine Trump so that he would be a one term President. Trump saw what was going on and he did the right thing, he walked.
Well said, Jim!
And your journey to becoming pro-Trump sounds very much like my own.
God bless you, sir.
Some folks find it easy to confuse spiritual Christianity with social Christianization of a country that is a mixture of believer and unbeliever. They are two different things.
Cruz might have put on a great display, however he didn’t get the inspiration that Donald Trump did. Dominionism might have been a problem — the doctrine that Christians aren’t just light and salt to a mixed world, but that they just plain take it over in the name of Christ. This is highly dubious to me from a biblical standpoint — short of the parousia (2nd coming). By claiming too much, Cruz might have gotten nothing. Cruz’s father was dominionist, and it never was clear to me how far the acorn fell from the tree.
“Ryan added nothing to Obamacare.”
When people lie to supports their positions, it’s because they don’t have a case. One of things that Paul Ryan added was a 30% penalty, to be paid to the insurance companies, for not buying health insurance in a particular year.
If planned parenthood is not funded in the budget, it isn’t funded. That can be put or removed regardless of what happened to Ryancare.
And let me guess... it had to be just the right kind of insurance too, i.e. some of the plans that were being offered by exempt employers didn’t even qualify. So you’d get dinged for not buying Ryancare.
I think it would be cheaper just to issue mini-med plans to the American citizen welfare set (especially after the illegales have been deported in serious numbers).
I think the problem is simply there are not enough votes for a straight-line repeal with no replace. My guess it simply can’t happen. Maybe that’s wrong, but all indications are there has to be a “replace” with any repeal. And that replace could, in theory, acknowledge the market place for insurance has changed since Obama and will take some time to come back, thus preserving a few things like pre-existing conditions. As for constitutionality, all of the taxes would have been repealed here, so I think that was the main argument against it on Commerce Clause grounds. So, my gut is voting this down was a mistake.
We Didn’t break it...
Perhaps we can help fix it.
But Keep it in Perspective.
You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!! I too supported CRUZ vs TRUMP and was most unsure of Trump. Voted for him though and have watched him closely.
As for yesterday’s vote, I couldn’t agree more!!
I have said often , “ There is NEVER a RIGHT REASON to do something WRONG”...RYANCARE is OBAMACARE with a Republican casing...
NO NO NO....
My hope is that President Trump will realize that 99% of his supporters at the rallies wanted a FULL REPEAL.. not partial.
Well, based on his teachings in the NT, Jesus would tell us to make sure the least of our brothers have healthcare coverage.
Christians make a lot of mistakes. Don’t go wallowing in gloom about it. The eraser for all of them is on the cross of Calvary.
It’s my opinion that it was Ryan’s plan to preserve as much of Obamacre as possible and hang it around Trump’s neck to make him a one term President so they could get back to business as usual, importing cheap labor and selling out America.
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Well there’s no doubt whatever in my mind that Ryan’s primary objective is to damage Trump in every way he can. He’s an absolutely untrustworthy snake, and why Trump seems blind to something so obvious is disheartening to say the least.
Well, we can disagree on these points, but I think we have to consider legislative intent. The GOP intent here was to strip some of the worst parts of Obama’s unconstitutional law, but either keep or improve the so-called better points (which would also be unconstitutional). For example, they wanted the new and improved law to “take care of everyone” including mandating coverage for adult children and preexisting conditions and partially subsidizing the poor or those who can’t afford it with a dubious refundable tax credit scheme.
The intent and end effect is the same as Obama’s. The federal government unconstitutionally sticking its big powerful tyrannical nose into not only what should be decided by free enterprise, but in any case, what is explicitly reserved by the constitution to the states and the people.
The only constitutional option is to repeal it.
And if repeal is against the rules, then who controls the rules and who can change those rules so that our duly elected Republican congressional majorities can do whatever it takes to repeal Obamacare ASAP as we the people intended? No excuses.
And that would be the responsible moral Christian conservative thing to do, by the way.
AMEN!!!
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