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To: Jim Robinson

“If I am right then a health care or insurance law enacted by a Republican congress or government would be equally unconstitutional, regardless of whether it is better or worse than Obamacare.”

The Ryan bill cut 1.2 trillion from Obamacare according to the CBO.

Did Ryan repeal it all? No. You need 60 votes for that. Obamacare was enacted with 60 votes. Ryan “only” cut 1.2 trillion from it.

Ryan also defunded planned parenthood, etc. Ryan added nothing to Obamacare. He only subtracted. His bill was 100% constitutional.

The Ryan bill was the moral, Christian choice. Unfortunately, Obama bought many republicans with his government subsidies. In exchange for a few bucks of government money, many decided to oppose the Ryan bill and save Obamacare along with planned parenthood funding, etc.


85 posted on 03/25/2017 7:47:14 PM PDT by Helicondelta (Deplorable)
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To: Helicondelta

“Ryan added nothing to Obamacare.”

When people lie to supports their positions, it’s because they don’t have a case. One of things that Paul Ryan added was a 30% penalty, to be paid to the insurance companies, for not buying health insurance in a particular year.


89 posted on 03/25/2017 8:05:47 PM PDT by TTFX
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To: Helicondelta

Well, we can disagree on these points, but I think we have to consider legislative intent. The GOP intent here was to strip some of the worst parts of Obama’s unconstitutional law, but either keep or improve the so-called better points (which would also be unconstitutional). For example, they wanted the new and improved law to “take care of everyone” including mandating coverage for adult children and preexisting conditions and partially subsidizing the poor or those who can’t afford it with a dubious refundable tax credit scheme.

The intent and end effect is the same as Obama’s. The federal government unconstitutionally sticking its big powerful tyrannical nose into not only what should be decided by free enterprise, but in any case, what is explicitly reserved by the constitution to the states and the people.

The only constitutional option is to repeal it.

And if repeal is against the rules, then who controls the rules and who can change those rules so that our duly elected Republican congressional majorities can do whatever it takes to repeal Obamacare ASAP as we the people intended? No excuses.

And that would be the responsible moral Christian conservative thing to do, by the way.


99 posted on 03/25/2017 8:34:29 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: Helicondelta

“Did Ryan repeal it all? No. You need 60 votes for that. Obamacare was enacted with 60 votes....

...The Ryan bill was the moral, Christian choice....”
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Jeez, still carrying Ryan’s globalist GOPe water for him?

First, Obamacare was enacted with 51 votes...NOT 60. The Ryan bill was “the moral, Cristian choice”? That’s yet another lie!


115 posted on 03/25/2017 8:59:53 PM PDT by House Atreides (Send BOTH Hillary & Bill to prison.)
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