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Stop the Logan Act Nonsense – Respect General Flynn
Townhall.com ^ | February 13, 2017 | Robert Charles

Posted on 02/13/2017 12:59:46 PM PST by Kaslin

Like a cresting wave, hysteria tied to executive orders is now met by childish hypocrisy. When will the embarrassment set in? Congressional Democrats allege that National Security Advisor-designee Michael Flynn, when he talked by phone with the Russian ambassador on December 29th, just three weeks before President Trump was sworn in, violated the Logan Act. What?

Across the weekend news programs, accusatory individuals spread words like criminal violation, felony, need to resign, and congressional investigation, freely as jam on bread. Yet they all know, for an absolute fact, this is a lot of whooped-up nonsense. Follow me, you will be truly amazed – they know.

They know – or should know – that the Logan Act dates to 1799, when a state legislator with no ties to any administration tried to assert himself as personal negotiator for final peace with France. The anti-Jefferson Federalists did not like this private initiative, so passed the Logan Act to make private ventures intent on negotiating personal treaties over international feuds a crime. The bill was whipped out in days.

And in the 200 years since, not a single individual has ever been prosecuted under the act, not one. And its constitutionality is widely doubted in any event, even by Democrat legal scholars. Funny how precedent and constitutionality matter when they work for a party, and not at all when they work against it.

The folly of casting anyone – let alone General Flynn, an incoming National Security Advisor – as violator of this important-sounding, but utterly obsolete and toothless Logan Act would be funny enough, if it were not being dressed up in congressional outrage, with somber questions like – yes – “what did he know, and when did he know it?” Watergate already, really?

How about who knew that the Logan Act was a patent, indefensible non-story from the get-go, and when did they know it? And why did they pursue it? And why did the media give this lark prime time coverage? And when did free speech or casual conversation with foreign nationals, on unclassified topics, become illegal and unconstitutional? Especially for an incoming administration, about to be jumped for being unprepared? Where is the sense of injustice toward General Flynn?

How about a historical refresher, that so silly was this act in its own day, dear Mr. Logan was subsequently elected to the U.S. Senate? The topic was actually never raised again, and the act became a bit of tomfoolery, although never formally repealed.

How about this – since equal and opposite political facts seem the only way to stop hypocrisy: Not only was the incoming National Security Advisor entitled to talk about hopes for a better relationship with Russia. Not only was the reported conversation in keeping with General Flynn’s hallmark in Afghanistan, namely that American national security has to move beyond kinetic, to winning hearts and minds. But his daring, non-story pales in comparison to overtures taken by candidate Barack Obama in mid-2008.

That is right. In July 2008, independent of any policy conversations by staff, candidate Obama went to the Middle East and Europe and spoke extensively, one-on-one, about policy with leaders from Kuwait, Afghanistan, Iraq, Jordan, the West Bank, Israel, France, Germany and Britain. As a candidate, not as a president-elect.

Without thought of violating the Logan Act, Mr. Obama conducted substantive conversations with Afghan President Hamid Karzai, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, Jordan’s King Abdullah, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, Israel’s Prime Minister Elud Olmert, Germany’s Chancellor Angela Merkel, France’s President Nicolas Sarkozy, Britain’s Prime Minister Gordon Brown, his predecessor Tony Blair and opposition leader David Cameron. In short, in an effort to transparently promote his presidential candidacy, with all manner of topics, candidate Obama flew straight into the Logan Act.

But no one cared. Not one news story. Not one. Why? Because the Logan Act is a non-story; it is a historical anachronism. And Mr. Obama was not a Republican. He was a Democratic candidate desperately trying to assume credibility, offering himself as a vehicle for world peace – much as Mr. Logan, with less impressive credentials or press encouragement, was seeking to promote peace in France. For his efforts, Mr. Logan got a silly act and a Senate seat. For his efforts, Mr. Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize.

To cap the irony and Obama counter-example, before assuming office and not president-elect, Mr. Obama spoke of peace and how to end world conflicts on July 24, 2008, in a speech at the Victory Column in Berlin, before an estimated 200,000 people. But no talk of Logan Act. None.

So now we return to the humble act of a casual, hopeful phone call by an incoming National Security Advisor with an ambassador, above board and without specific objectives sought or achieved, except to take a long history of seeking to advance diplomacy and prepare for reality weeks ahead.

From this, if we are to believe the overwrought and incensed, perpetually enraged and indignant, accusatory Democrats in Congress, we must conclude that an inapt, unused, toothless, constitutionally indefensible Logan Act is now a big news story – heart of a new Watergate? Surely, you jest. Please, spare me the play.

Soon, we will have another flood of well-paid protestors, a march for reinstating the 1799 Logan Act, perhaps retrospective prosecution of Logan. More seriously, is it not time to turn down the volume. When will we all, as Americans, tuck our shirts back in, sit up straight again, take real as real, and leave nonsense as nonsense? The world really is a dangerous place. There really are issues of import before Congress. Is it not time we started acting like one nation? If not now, when?



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: flynnresigns; flynnrussiasanctions; loganact; russiasanctions; trumpflynnrussia
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To: Kaslin

The left got away with the “Dear Commandante Letter”...a violation. . .


21 posted on 02/13/2017 2:35:06 PM PST by Hulka
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To: Phil DiBasquette
YES! Most Assuredly.
22 posted on 02/13/2017 2:55:24 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: Cobra64

How about Lurch meeting with ‘both sides’ during the Paris Peace Talks. Both sides did not mean the North and the South, it meant the civilian and military representatives from North Viet Nam.
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I don’t recall anybody raising this issue...ever!


23 posted on 02/13/2017 3:31:10 PM PST by PsechsySr
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To: Kaslin

After being passed as law 218 years ago and no one has been punished under it, I say it is time to pass a new law terminating it.


24 posted on 02/13/2017 3:40:48 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Kaslin

General Flynn’s Dec. 20th phone call was deplorable. It undermined President Obama’s plan to convince President Putin to

A) withdraw his troops from the Ukraine
B) restore the Crimea to the Ukraine
C) abandon support for North Korean missile development
D) restore Abkazia to Georgia
E) establish Chechnya and Elista as independent countries.

All of which would have been achieved by Jan. 20. Off with his head!!


25 posted on 02/13/2017 3:42:47 PM PST by RossA
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To: PsechsySr

I know. Lurch and Hanoi Jane should have been tried, convicted and executed. IMOHO


26 posted on 02/13/2017 3:46:40 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common any more.)
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To: LeoWindhorse

“General Flynn has my 100% support
He is a true war fighter . Get um”

I don’t care abut the Logan Act nonsense. But if he lied about something so trivial, that concerns me a lot. It is not consistent with a true warfighter to resort to lying to get out of accountability for something so small.

I hope he didn’t do it, because it’s indicative of more troubling things abut the man and his record


27 posted on 02/13/2017 3:49:34 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

seppuku


28 posted on 02/14/2017 12:10:49 PM PST by LeoWindhorse (America First !)
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To: RFEngineer

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33265.pdf

There appear to have been few indictments under the Logan Act. The one indictment found occurred in 1803 when a grand jury indicted Francis Flournoy, a Kentucky farmer, who wrote an article in the Frankfort Guardian of Freedom under the pen name of “A Western American.” Flournoy advocated in the article a separate Western nation allied to France. The United States Attorney for Kentucky, an Adams appointee and brother-in-law of Chief Justice Marshall, went no further than procuring the indictment of Flournoy, and the purchase of the Louisiana Territory
later that year appeared to cause the separatism issue to become obsolete. So far as can be determined, there have been no prosecutions under the Logan Act.

https://books.google.com/books?id=oBwTBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=Francis+Flournoy+grand+jury+1803&source=bl&ots=3OGYXlHqfT&sig=WbtOOvul-AsA3_jk1nfa2fmnghI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiL4pHLxZLSAhUGLyYKHR6bA6YQ6AEIQDAI#v=onepage&q=Francis%20Flournoy%20grand%20jury%201803&f=false

March 2, 1803 - an article by Francis Flourney appears in a local Frankfort, KY newspaper advocating for western states and territories to secede the Union.

March 14, 1803 - Flourney is indicted by a federal grand jury in Frankfort, KY for violation of the Logan Act

The Louisiana Purchase made the whole matter moot and it was never prosecuted.


29 posted on 02/15/2017 8:46:11 AM PST by Degaston
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