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Russia, Iran Supporting Taliban to ‘Undermine’ U.S. Mission in Afghanistan
Washington Examiner ^ | 9 Feb 17 | Natalie Johnson

Posted on 02/10/2017 4:31:14 AM PST by elhombrelibre

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To: RedWulf

What does that have to do with this thread? Is the news in the thread about me, about who I voted for, or about anything related to that subject? Nope. Read the article and discuss it.


21 posted on 02/10/2017 5:12:41 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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To: elhombrelibre
Now you've tipped your hand and are clearly nothing but a propagandist and BS artist.

Thanks for clearing that up

22 posted on 02/10/2017 5:13:48 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: Rashputin

What you bring out is very important
It has become a struggle between Taliban and ISIS over the poppy fields
Imagine ISIS with that wealth and power
Regional powers ( of which Russia is one, the U.S. and NATO are not ) choosing best option for their own national interests


23 posted on 02/10/2017 5:18:09 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: elhombrelibre
Most of the Putin posters are going to support Putin in all instances and not Trump since they’re really in favor of restoring the Russian empire.

They actually claim to support Trump, yet seem to ignore the facts that his administration is 100% on to KGB/FSB Putin and his scheme to restore the Soviet Union and then-some with positions in the strategic, oil/gas-rich Middle East.

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Trump’s U.N. Envoy, Nikki Haley, Condemns Russia’s ‘Aggressive Actions’ in Ukraine

By SOMINI SENGUPTA
Feb 2, 2017

UNITED NATIONS — Nikki R. Haley, the new American ambassador to the United Nations, condemned Russia on Thursday for its recent “aggressive actions” in eastern Ukraine.

“We do want to better our relations with Russia,” Ms. Haley said during her first remarks to an open briefing of the United Nations Security Council. “However, the dire situation in eastern Ukraine is one that demands clear and strong condemnation of Russian actions.”

She made it clear that American sanctions imposed after Russia’s annexation of Crimea would remain in place.

During her Senate confirmation hearing last month, Ms. Haley also expressed support for continuing the sanctions and accused Russia of committing war crimes in the Syrian conflict. But her strong criticism of the government of President Vladimir V. Putin put her at odds with President Trump, who has expressed a desire for warmer relations with the Kremlin. ...’

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/world/europe/nikki-haley-trump-ukraine-russia-putin.html?_r=0

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Mike Pence, from the VP debate on Oct 5, 2016, on the subject of Putin and Russia:

“When Donald Trump and I observe that, as I’ve said, in Syria, in Iran, in Ukraine, that the small and bullying leader of Russia has been stronger on the world stage than this administration, that’s stating painful facts. That’s not an endorsement of Vladimir Putin — that’s an indictment of the weak and feckless leadership of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.”

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Also from the Oct 5, 2016 first VP debate...

QUIJANO (Moderator): I want to turn now to Syria. Two hundred fifty thousand people, 100,000 of them children, are under siege in Aleppo, Syria. Bunker buster bombs, cluster munitions, and incendiary weapons are being dropped on them by Russian and Syrian militaries. Does the U.S. have a responsibility to protect civilians and prevent mass casualties on this scale, Governor Pence?

PENCE: The United States of America needs to begin to exercise strong leadership to protect the vulnerable citizens and over 100,000 children in Aleppo. Hillary Clinton’s top priority when she became secretary of state was the Russian reset, the Russians reset. After the Russian reset, the Russians invaded Ukraine and took over Crimea.

And the small and bullying leader of Russia is now dictating terms to the United States to the point where all the United States of America — the greatest nation on Earth — just withdraws from talks about a cease-fire while Vladimir Putin puts a missile defense system in Syria while he marshals the forces and begins — look, we have got to begin to lean into this with strong, broad-shouldered American leadership.

It begins by rebuilding our military. And the Russians and the Chinese have been making enormous investments in the military. We have the smallest Navy since 1916. We have the lowest number of troops since the end of the Second World War. We’ve got to work with Congress, and Donald Trump will, to rebuild our military and project American strength in the world.

But about Aleppo and about Syria, I truly do believe that what America ought to do right now is immediately establish safe zones, so that families and vulnerable families with children can move out of those areas, work with our Arab partners, real time, right now, to make that happen.

And secondly, I just have to tell you that the provocations by Russia need to be met with American strength. And if Russia chooses to be involved and continue, I should say, to be involved in this barbaric attack on civilians in Aleppo, the United States of America should be prepared to use military force to strike military targets of the Assad regime to prevent them from this humanitarian crisis that is taking place in Aleppo.

There’s a broad range of other things that we ought to do, as well. We ought to deploy a missile defense shield to the Czech Republic and Poland which Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama pulled back on out of not wanting to offend the Russians back in 2009.

QUIJANO: Governor, your two minutes are up.

PENCE: We’ve just got to have American strength on the world stage. When Donald Trump becomes president of the United States, the Russians and other countries in the world will know they’re dealing with a strong American president.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/06/us/politics/vice-president-transcript.html

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And...

PENCE: What we’re dealing with is the — you know, there’s an old proverb that says the Russian bear never dies, it just hibernates.

And the truth of the matter is, the weak and feckless foreign policy of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama has awakened an aggression in Russia that first appeared a few years ago with their move in Georgia, now their move into Crimea, now their move into the wider Middle East.

And all the while, all we do is fold our arms and say we’re not having talks anymore.

To answer your question, we just need American strength. We need to — we need to marshal the resources of our allies in the region, and in the immediate, we need to act and act now to get people out of harm’s way.

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Senator Jeff Sessions on Putin...

March 26, 2015

Interview with Jeff Sessions: U.S. and Europe "Have to Unify" Against Russia

excerpt...

What do you expect next from Russia?

Sessions: Well, there's a danger that they may continue this overreach. They just solidified power in Georgia, in South Ossetia. That was I think in the last week. Pressure is still on Ukraine. We don't know whether the Minsk Agreement will hold, I don't think it's holding very well now.

We have the Estonians, the Lithuanians, the Romanians, they're very worried. This is reality, I wish it weren't, but I'm afraid it is. It needs to be clear that Russia knows that there will be a high price to pay if this behavior continues.

If Minsk breaks down, at what point does the president have to act and supply Ukraine with lethal weaponry? What is the breaking point? We know from what Victoria Nuland said that the administration hasn't decided yet.

Sessions: From what I understand from this conference, I think it's clear that Germany has said publicly that they will support harsher sanctions and more military support if the Minsk Agreement fails. And that will be key.

Merkel has worked very very hard to establish a relationship with Putin and Russia. It's been a good-faith effort. If it fails, I would hope that Europe and the United States would have to unify and push back more firmly against Russian overreach. ..."

http://www.realclearworld.com/blog/2015/03/interview_with_jeff_sessions_us_and_europe_have_to_unify_against_russia_111076.html

or,

https://web.archive.org/web/20150709024356/http://www.realclearworld.com/blog/2015/03/interview_with_jeff_sessions_us_and_europe_have_to_unify_against_russia_111076.html

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"In a Montgomery speech in March 2014...he [Sen Jeff Sessions] called for international scorn toward Russia for its aggressive actions in Ukraine and, before then, Georgia.

"I believe a systematic effort should be undertaken so that Russia feels pain for this," Sessions said then. "Because if you don't act now to make some sanctions against Russia then why will they believe in the future that we're going to impose sanctions or do anything aggressive if they move forward to take all of Ukraine, all of Georgia?""

Sessions, not that long ago, was calling for more sanctions against an expansionist Russia that was rattling U.S. allies in Europe. And he regularly blamed the Obama administration for what he argued was an overly optimistic and weak foreign policy, including a decision to scale back planned missile defense sites in the Czech Republic and Poland.

“There’s no good solution now. The bottle of milk has shattered on the floor and you can’t put it back together,” the Alabama senator said about relations with Russia in the aftermath of the annexation of Crimea.

Sessions has also pointed to Russia’s record as justification for a robust missile defense system, which has deep roots in north Alabama.

“Russia’s recent actions in Georgia remind us that country, which we once hoped was on a path to greater integration into the global world community, might again be seeking to restore old Soviet ideas of dominance throughout their neighbors and in Eastern Europe, all of which should serve as a motivation to move ahead with the necessary capabilities to defend ourselves and our allies from missile attack, in particular,” Sessions said on the Senate floor in 2008.

Two years later, Sessions voted against the New START nuclear arms reduction treaty with Russia, in part because he thought Obama conceded too much ground to the Russians.

“Just signing an agreement on a piece of paper does not create security,” Sessions said. “A consistent, principled, just approach to our legitimate national defense, advocated clearly and forthrightly without misunderstanding, is the best way to have security in this dangerous world.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/08/15/sen-jeff-sessions-backs-donald-trump-russia-policy/88796584/

or,

https://web.archive.org/web/20161115103421/http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/08/15/sen-jeff-sessions-backs-donald-trump-russia-policy/88796584/
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2014

Dan Coats speaks Tuesday in Indianapolis after winning the Republican ...

Sen. Dan Coats banned from entering Russia as retaliation for sanctions

Maureen Groppe and Aamer Madhani, Star Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON – Sen. Dan Coats’ efforts to punish Russia because of Moscow’s move to annex the Crimea region of Ukraine has gotten him banned from the country.

While I’m disappointed that I won’t be able to go on vacation with my family in Siberia this summer, I am honored to be on this list,” the Indiana Republican said after Russia’s announcement Thursday. ...”

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2014/03/20/sen-coats-banned-entering-russia-retaliation-sanctions/6661473/
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"President-elect Donald Trump intends to nominate former Indiana Sen. Dan Coats to serve as National Intelligence Director"

"Dan Coats of Indiana has served on the Senate Intelligence and Armed Services Committees."


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Donald Trump: 'Putin has eaten Obama's lunch, therefore our lunch, for a long period of time'

Mar 13, 2014
Eun Kyung Kim: TODAY SHOW (NBC)

Donald Trump slammed President Obama Thursday on TODAY for failing to take a stronger line against President Vladimir Putin in dealing with Ukraine, saying he feared Obama would now make up for lost time with imprudent moves to "show his manhood."

The real estate mogul and reality-TV star, who has criticized Putin for sending military troops into Crimea, said Obama must now take fierce steps to prevent the situation from escalating further.

"We should definitely do sanctions and we have to show some strengths. I mean, Putin has eaten Obama's lunch, therefore our lunch, for a long period of time," Trump said. ..."

http://www.today.com/news/donald-trump-putin-has-eaten-obamas-lunch-ukraine-2D79372098
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Here’s the interview w/ Matt Lauer on YouTube...

Donald Trump (2014): ‘Vladimir Putin Has Eaten Obama’s Lunch’:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzURUENf1ns
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Trump says NATO is obsolete but still ‘very important to me’

Reuters
January 16, 2017

LONDON (Reuters) - U.S. President-elect Donald Trump said NATO was obsolete because it had not defended against terror attacks, but that the military alliance was still very important to him, The Times of London reported.

“I took such heat, when I said NATO was obsolete,” Trump told the newspaper in an interview. “It’s obsolete because it wasn’t taking care of terror. I took a lot of heat for two days. And then they started saying Trump is right.”

Trump added that many NATO members were not paying their fair share for U.S. protection.

“A lot of these countries aren’t paying what they’re supposed to be paying, which I think is very unfair to the United States,” Trump said. “With that being said, NATO is very important to me. There’s five countries that are paying what they’re supposed to. Five. It’s not much.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-nato-obsolete-still-very-important-004548554—finance.html?ref=gs

24 posted on 02/10/2017 5:23:07 AM PST by ETL (Trump admin apparently playing "good cop, bad cop" with thug Putin (see my FR Home page))
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To: elhombrelibre

Listen you slanderous dog, you don’t get to insult people trying to discuss to article and then whine about it when people fire back at you.

You’ve falsely attacked me on group identity grounds claiming I’m a Russian agent over and over again. So I attack back on the grounds that you didn’t vote for Trump which means you tried to get Hillary elected. Conservatives don’t try elect Clintons. If you can’t stand the heat, don’t start the fire.


25 posted on 02/10/2017 5:23:32 AM PST by RedWulf (TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP!)
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To: elhombrelibre
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"We can redouble our efforts to develop the defensive weapons that neutralized the offensive Soviet threat -- particularly missile defense, which has seen a 25% budget reduction under Obama, according to an analysis from the conservative Heritage Foundation, and has been constrained by bad arms deals like New START.

We should not only move quickly to install the canceled interceptor sites Putin opposed in Poland and the Czech Republic, but also to develop the next generation of systems that will only increase his discomfiture.

These options do not entail a ground war in Syria, yet would effectively shake us free from the failed policies that have brought us to our current impasse.

These options set us on a new path that puts Putin on notice that the United States is reclaiming our traditional role as leader of the free world."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/09/opinions/cruz-syria-putin/index.html
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"What we're seeing Putin in Russia do is a direct response to the profound weakness of Obama over six and a half years.

Putin views Obama as weak, as ineffective, and frankly, as a laughingstock. And, as a result, he is moving in, he is invading his neighbors, like Ukraine, he's kidnapping Estonians, and he's moving into Syria to gain a stronger foothold in the Middle East."

https://www.tedcruz.org/news/icymi-cruz-we-have-no-business-getting-in-the-middle-of-the-syrian-civil-war-goal-should-be-to-defeat-isis/
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Ted Cruz:

"We need a coherent plan to address both the specific crisis in Syria and the challenge posed more broadly by Putin's resurgent Russia.

The good news is that America still has options, if our leaders can summon the will to exercise them.

For starters, in Syria we can't double down on the failed strategies that have given Putin his opportunity to intervene.

We are now two years out from President Obama's proposed intervention after al-Assad used chemical weapons against his own people. ..."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/09/opinions/cruz-syria-putin/index.html

26 posted on 02/10/2017 5:23:45 AM PST by ETL (Trump admin apparently playing "good cop, bad cop" with thug Putin (see my FR Home page))
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To: elhombrelibre; All

Exclusive: In call with Putin, Trump denounced Obama-era nuclear arms treaty

Reuters, via Yahoo News ^ | February 9, 2017

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In his first call as president with Russian leader Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump denounced a treaty that caps U.S. and Russian deployment of nuclear warheads as a bad deal for the United States, according to two U.S. officials and one former U.S. official with knowledge of the call.

When Putin raised the possibility of extending the 2010 treaty, known as New START, Trump paused to ask his aides in an aside what the treaty was, these sources said.

Trump then told Putin the treaty was one of several bad deals negotiated by the Obama administration, saying that New START favored Russia. ...”

(Excerpt) Read more at yahoo.com ...

27 posted on 02/10/2017 5:26:02 AM PST by ETL (Trump admin apparently playing "good cop, bad cop" with thug Putin (see my FR Home page))
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To: RedWulf
You’ve falsely attacked me on group identity grounds claiming I’m a Russian agent over and over again.

Well, you may not be an "agent", in the sense that you're working out of some dinghy basement apartment in Moscow and getting paid for it. But you certainly are a huge fan boy and apologist for him, for whatever demented/misguided personal reasons you may have.

Again, you and your fellow Putinistas are totally at odds with the Trump administration and have thus been exposed for the phonies that you are. Why you creeps are allowed to remain here spreading your pro-Russia crap is a mystery to me.

28 posted on 02/10/2017 5:33:42 AM PST by ETL (Trump admin apparently playing "good cop, bad cop" with thug Putin (see my FR Home page))
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To: elhombrelibre; Rashputin; RedWulf; silverleaf
So you favor losing another war, like your Vietnam experience? How many 9/11’s would you be willing to have before you accept that we cannot let Islamists win?

Just so you know Hombre, the Vietnam war was lost not by the US Military who won hands down, but by the US Congress through legislation pulling all support from South Vietnam.

Further, 9-11 was directly the result of Saudi financing of the Al Qaeda spin off of the Muslim Brotherhood, allowed by Truman, Eisenhower and again the US Congress returning ownership and Royalty rights to Saudis on oil legitimately purchased and owned by Standard Oil.

29 posted on 02/10/2017 5:47:33 AM PST by Navy Patriot (America returns to the Rule of Law)
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To: RedWulf

And we armed the Afghanis against Russia.


30 posted on 02/10/2017 5:48:21 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
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To: mazda77; elhombrelibre

Lots of info at longwarjournal -

“Iran has a long history of backing the Taliban’s insurgency against US and allied forces in Afghanistan. Indeed, the relationship between the two former foes is one of the most misunderstood and oft-overlooked aspects of the 9/11 wars.”

““Since 2006,” the State Department noted in its Country Reports on Terrorism for 2012, “Iran has arranged arms shipments to select Taliban members, including small arms and associated ammunition, rocket propelled grenades, mortar rounds, 107mm rockets, and plastic explosives.” In 2012, the Iranians “shipped a large number of weapons to Kandahar, Afghanistan, aiming to increase its influence in this key province.”

Foggy Bottom added that the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ Quds Force (IRGC-QF) “trained Taliban elements on small unit tactics, small arms, explosives, and indirect fire weapons, such as mortars, artillery, and rockets.””

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2016/05/analysis-iran-has-supported-the-talibans-insurgency-since-late-2001.php


31 posted on 02/10/2017 5:50:37 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: silverleaf
4)the Afghan government reached out for Russian assistance after seeing what the Russians were doing vs ISIS in Syria .

Is that true?

If so, it doesn't sound like a vote of confidence for the US led efforts.

32 posted on 02/10/2017 5:52:18 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: mac_truck

https://www.wsj.com/articles/afghanistan-looks-to-russia-for-military-hardware-1445814276

There were other sources


33 posted on 02/10/2017 5:58:53 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Navy Patriot

I sill wish Bush had just nuked Mecca and Riyadh for revenge for 911 instead of the foolhardy occupation of Afghanistan and invasion of Iraq.


34 posted on 02/10/2017 6:04:29 AM PST by RedWulf (TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP!)
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To: RedWulf
There was a reason Vlad the Impaler impaled Muslims.


35 posted on 02/10/2017 6:16:27 AM PST by Navy Patriot (America returns to the Rule of Law)
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To: silverleaf
Notice how ISIS increased their activity and the number of personnel they had in Afghanistan within weeks of Russia blowing away their means to sell large quantities of oil to and through Turkey.

I figure they see the opium trade out of Afghanistan as their best alternative source of funding since the Saudis are spending big bucks in Yemen and won't make good the millions they no longer get from oil.

That means both Russia and Iran have a real reason to try and insure the opium crop size shrinks no matter who it is in Afghanistan that can make that happen.

Also, the Taliban actually competes with ISIS for "the faithful" who will fight so, that's a double strain on ISIS sort of like the Communists Stalin and Trotsky fighting one another over "world revolution" vs "communism in one country" back prior to WWII.

Iran is already pretty good at stopping anything but small quantities of opium from flowing West through Iran to Turkey (home of the primary heroin labs and has been for decades) and they're getting better. Going through Turkmenistan accross the Caspian to Azerbaijan and Arminia won't work out, so controlling part of the country and crop won't do, they have to be the controlling power in Afghanistan to have leverage on the Paks.

A lot of Paks now willing to take a bribe and look the other way would get worried about doing that if Pak Intelligence has their pals the Taliban back in power in Afghanistan.

Don't count China out of the Afghan equation, either. Although it's tough to find the tidbits of news about it the Uyghur terrorist activities in China are more about China being good at and determined to crack down on and execute Uyghur drug lords and smugglers than it is about their dear IzLame Ick beliefs.

JMHo

36 posted on 02/10/2017 6:23:56 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: Rashputin
From the article:

"Nicholson said U.S. and coalition efforts in Afghanistan are now at a "stalemate." With nearly 12,500 American and NATO forces on the ground in the country, Nicholson said he needed a "few thousand" more troops for the train, advise, and assist mission. He said the troop additions could come from the United States or its allies.

Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

37 posted on 02/10/2017 6:35:25 AM PST by VMI70
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To: Rashputin

“Now you’ve tipped your hand and are clearly nothing but a propagandist and BS artist.
Thanks for clearing that up”

Good call! When it comes to elhombrelibre you are 100% correct. That thing has polluted FR for years with the same old BS propaganda. IT hates Russia much more than the Islamic nutbags who are killing us. ETL is right behind him as I am sure he will soon be posting his endless strings of pre-prepared articles and links that will gum up this thread. Both of them are completely nuts and could be on someone’s payroll.


38 posted on 02/10/2017 6:44:06 AM PST by ohioman
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To: elhombrelibre

Hey, I’m all for a conventional missile targeting the Kaaba in Mecca.


39 posted on 02/10/2017 6:54:36 AM PST by Jay Thomas (If not for my faith in Christ, I would despair.)
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To: Jay Thomas

Okay. That ought to help with our allies in Muslim countries, the ones our planes leave from to bomb ISIS and al Qaeda.


40 posted on 02/10/2017 7:01:16 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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