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(Vanity) Michigan recount ordered by federal judge to start tomorrow!!

Posted on 12/04/2016 9:37:06 PM PST by roostercogburn

The federal courts trample us again.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: fakenews; notfakenews
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To: CatOwner; Enlightened1
They can’t count the States that they are doing recounts which will deny Trump the 270 votes.

If the re-count isn't finished in time to meet the deadline for certification (Dec 13), the state legislatures are empowered to appoint their own slate of electors. These electors would attend the Electoral College and cast their votes on Dec 19.

Republicans control both houses of the Wisconsin, Michigan an Pennsylvania legislatures. In all liklihood, they would re-appoint the current slate of Trump electors.

No state is going to lose their EC votes. Trump is going to receive every one of the 306 EV he earned.

101 posted on 12/04/2016 10:40:54 PM PST by okie01 ( The MainStream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: CatOwner

270 is NOT the number. The number is a majority of the electors actually appointed.


102 posted on 12/04/2016 10:40:56 PM PST by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward Fifth Avenue to be born?)
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To: roostercogburn
Unless the state has changed their constitution to allow federal judges make their budget, or perhaps the court has generously included a big check with the order?

No?

No dinero, no count. ‘I'm sorry, your honor, but our legislature hasn't met to authorize the spending of those funds, and until they do, we are unable to spend the people's money for your whims. Moreso, there is no possible way in the world that Jill Stein can win the election. So our reply is our already certified results, and you're more than welcome to come on down and count them yourself.’

103 posted on 12/04/2016 10:41:11 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: roostercogburn
 
 
More lawlessness. The reply should be "or what?". Who is that little prick gonna arrest.
 
 

104 posted on 12/04/2016 10:42:28 PM PST by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: okie01

I hope you are right.

Still concerned they can flip a States.

This is absolutely ridiculous a person who received less than 1% of the vote, with no evidence is allowed to go on a fishing expedition that only favors Hillary.

Jill will not win and she choose only States that Hillary could steal. It’s really disgusting.


105 posted on 12/04/2016 10:43:53 PM PST by Enlightened1
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To: Ray76

Preserving voting integrity means purging the voter rolls of illegals, other non-citizens, fakes, felons, duplicates, residents of other states, the deceased, etc; enforcing proof of citizenship to register; enforcing voter ID at precincts; abolishing 2-month-long early voting (ballot stuffing) periods and generally discouraging early voting; actually counting absentee votes from military personnel instead of throwing them out; etc.

But we already know what federal judges have to say about all of that.


106 posted on 12/04/2016 10:44:24 PM PST by fluorescence
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To: Enlightened1

If Jill Stein demanded recounts in any other states, nobody would pay attention to her. She belongs in a psychiatric ward.


107 posted on 12/04/2016 10:45:06 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: FredZarguna

Okay what is the number then?

270 is the only number I have heard.


108 posted on 12/04/2016 10:45:31 PM PST by Enlightened1
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To: roostercogburn
I’d give Michigan a 25% chance at flipping right now if hand recount goes as ordered.

No re-count has ever overturned a lead in excess of 1,000.

Chill.

109 posted on 12/04/2016 10:45:50 PM PST by okie01 ( The MainStream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: kingu

That’s exactly what should happen in any case where a Federal judge orders a state to do anything.


110 posted on 12/04/2016 10:46:15 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Alberta's Child

She is obviously working for Hillary.


111 posted on 12/04/2016 10:46:20 PM PST by Enlightened1
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To: WilliamIII
Actually, the state can still deny the petition for a recount, which is what the Trump lawyers argued.

The state will not make its decision until Wednesday. The Federal judge is saying, if they make no decision until Wednesday, there would be a due process violation because the recount can't be finished if it doesn't start until after Wednesday. The Federal decision can still be mooted if the state court says there will be no recount, which will make Goldschmidt (the US district judge) look quite stupid.

112 posted on 12/04/2016 10:46:24 PM PST by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward Fifth Avenue to be born?)
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To: Enlightened1

I don’t know who she’s working for. She’s doing nobody any favors, and even many Democrats are alarmed about this because of the long-term damage it can do to them — especially in these three states.


113 posted on 12/04/2016 10:47:54 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: okie01

How many votes did the Florida recount overturn in 2000?

I thought is was over 1,200 votes. Remember the entire hanging chads debate?


114 posted on 12/04/2016 10:48:31 PM PST by Enlightened1
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To: Alberta's Child
Everything I have found is conjecture & circumstantial - no proof.

However, a Freeper found this, which is weird.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3498111/posts

and this which is weird
https://i.sli.mg/oZ0cE6.png

Stein says Soros isn't backing her.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/jill-stein-soros-ballot-recount/2016/11/29/id/761177/

However, she is wrong about donations by individuals for recounts. A recount & legal proceedings fund that may accept up to $100,200 per year from an individual and up to $45,000 per year from a multicandidate PAC. The NRCC and NRSC are also eligible for these types of funds.

If she's wrong about that, what else is she wrong about ?

115 posted on 12/04/2016 10:50:00 PM PST by stylin19a (obama = Fredo smart)
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To: Enlightened1
This is the Twelfth Amendment. It's the law of the United States:

The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed;

The number is not "a majority of the possible electors" (which is 270) it is "a majority of [those] APPOINTED."

If MI doesn't appoint any electors, the number needed for a majority decreases accordingly.

Still not going to happen. The state legislature has plenary power in this matter, and can simply say "Screw you, your honor, we hereby appoint Trump's slate of electors. Bugger off."

116 posted on 12/04/2016 10:51:23 PM PST by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward Fifth Avenue to be born?)
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To: Alberta's Child

HAHAHA!!!

You don’t know who Jill is working for? HAHAHA!

She raised more money in 6 days than she did in her entire campaign.

How do you explain that? Do think that comes from her less than 1% voters????

Oh but you don’t know who she is working for? HAHAHA!

Gee who would benefit from this if they flip the States?

HAHAHA!


117 posted on 12/04/2016 10:53:12 PM PST by Enlightened1
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To: FredZarguna

I would love for the State to do that.


118 posted on 12/04/2016 10:54:09 PM PST by Enlightened1
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To: CatOwner

“If a state isn’t certified by the Electoral College, isn’t one option to subtract that state’s EVs from the total of 538, producing a lower 50% mark to win the election?”

That is an open question and not clearly spelled out in the USC. It depends on what the term “ appointed” electors means The question arose in 2000 when there was a possibility that Florida’s EVs would be lost. At that time Bush’s legal team ( Ed Meese among them) argued that 270 is a fixed number and Gore needed FLA ( and 270+) or the election went to Congress for resolution.


119 posted on 12/04/2016 10:54:36 PM PST by RonnG
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To: stylin19a
Another Freeper pointed out that there is no way to know if the "fund-raising counter" on that donation page is even accurate at all -- and speculated that the Stein campaign may have been fabricating the numbers simply to make people believe she had raised far more money than she really did.

How does someone go out and raise all this money to fund recount efforts in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, and claim to have raised more than $7 million ... only to file a Federal lawsuit in Pennsylvania today claiming that the $1 million bond required to initiate the recount is excessive?

120 posted on 12/04/2016 10:55:27 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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