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Eleventh Hour Changes to Federal Firearm Form
National Rifle Association-Institute for Legislative Action ^ | November 18,2016 | National Rifle Association

Posted on 11/19/2016 5:44:24 AM PST by jimbug

In what will hopefully be one of the final acts of the Obama Administration on firearms, the ATF on Monday announced that its proposed changes to the Form 4473 would go into effect on January 16, 2017, just four days before the inauguration of President-Elect Donald Trump.

Form 4473 is the federally mandated form that must be filled out by any person who acquires a firearm from a licensed dealer....

Another notable change to the form is the inclusion of a bolded warning to potential transferees from ATF.

The warning provides that “the use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medical or recreational purposes in the state where you reside.”

This warning is a continuation of ATF’s policy that was first published in an open letter on September 21, 2011.

Under ATF’s policy, not only are users of marijuana prohibited from possessing firearms, but a person may not transfer a firearm to an individual if the transferor knows that the transferee holds a medical marijuana card.

Importantly, this second prohibition applies even where the cardholder does not actually use any marijuana.

(Excerpt) Read more at nraila.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 4473; atf; banglist; gunrights; marijuana; secondamendment
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The ATF is prohibiting legitimate users of medical marijuana from ownership of firearms.
1 posted on 11/19/2016 5:44:24 AM PST by jimbug
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This dirt bag has his hands in everything.


2 posted on 11/19/2016 5:46:36 AM PST by headstamp 2 (Fear is the mind killer.)
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To: jimbug

President Trump should simply put the ATF completely out of business forms and all. They exist simply to thwart the Second Amendment.


3 posted on 11/19/2016 5:48:05 AM PST by vette6387
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To: jimbug

Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms. Period.


4 posted on 11/19/2016 5:48:34 AM PST by Lisbon1940 (No full-term Governors!)
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To: jimbug

Not ‘ownership’. Buying firearms, it appears.


5 posted on 11/19/2016 5:49:45 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: jimbug

No, they are enfocring the law as it exists. AND I hate the BATF with every fiber in my body. As long as they exist and mj is still illegal federally they are correct.


6 posted on 11/19/2016 5:50:02 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("Elections have consequences." Barack Obama)
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To: jimbug

It seems a serious over-reach to me that unelected bureaucratic rule-makers can interpret (dictate) that which is clearly enumerated in the Constitution.

If Trump is true to his word, a lot of this Federal nonsense with regard to the 2nd Amendment will be negated/legislated away.


7 posted on 11/19/2016 5:50:11 AM PST by IncPen (I just found out that PIAPS is a reference to the "Pig In A Pants Suit". Ha! #NeverHillary)
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To: vette6387

A president does not have that sort of power, nor should he. Legislation is needed.

With any luck, he will appoint a head of ATF to drain the swamp.


8 posted on 11/19/2016 5:50:30 AM PST by marktwain
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To: jimbug

As a licensed firearms dealer I will say that this new form includes some improvements. The form clarifies and simplifies some common confusions. There are a couple of minor things that don’t represent an improvement but, generally, the new form is better than the old form.

This is nothing to get up in arms about.


9 posted on 11/19/2016 5:52:29 AM PST by stranger and pilgrim
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To: jimbug

It’s a warning of an existing policy. I can’t get too worked up about that.


10 posted on 11/19/2016 5:53:54 AM PST by Lazamataz (TRUMP WINS!!!! TRUMP WINS!!!! TRUMP WINS!!!! TRUMP WINS!!!! TRUMP WINS!!!! TRUMP WINS!!!!)
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Either do away with the BATFE (”F-Troop”) altogether or take away their tacticool weapons and gear and send them back to hunting down tax evaders illegally running cigarettes and booze with no tax stamps.


11 posted on 11/19/2016 5:54:16 AM PST by Iron Munro (If Illegals voted Rebublican 50 Million Democrats Would Be Screaming "Build The Wall!")
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To: Lisbon1940
Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms... Throw in a couple bags of chips and we'd have the making of a pretty good party...

Regards,
GtG

12 posted on 11/19/2016 5:55:47 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, but it's OK. They all know me here.)
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To: Lisbon1940

Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms....sounds like a convenience store, not a government agency.

This is one agency that needs to go away along with form 4473.


13 posted on 11/19/2016 5:57:12 AM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: stranger and pilgrim
As a licensed firearms dealer I will say...This is nothing to get up in arms about.

As a non-licensed firearms dealer I will say the same thing.

Wait, that doesn't sound right.

As a licensed firearms non-dealer.

No, that makes me sound like I am licensed to NOT deal firearms. Let me start again.

As a non-licensed non-firearms non-dealer.

Wait, if I am a non-dealer of non-firearms, that leaves the possibility I DO deal firearms.

Here: As a non-licensed firearms non-dealer.

GOT IT FINALLY.

14 posted on 11/19/2016 5:57:21 AM PST by Lazamataz (TRUMP WINS!!!! TRUMP WINS!!!! TRUMP WINS!!!! TRUMP WINS!!!! TRUMP WINS!!!! TRUMP WINS!!!!)
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To: jimbug

Actually I support these changes in the sense that it will very possibly WAKE UP the Republicans in Congress to improve the laws and thus the net effect will be positive. But, for now, we just have to live with it.


15 posted on 11/19/2016 5:59:33 AM PST by BobL (In Honor of the NeverTrumpers, I declare myself as FR's first 'Imitation NeverTrumper')
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To: marktwain

“A president does not have that sort of power, nor should he. Legislation is needed.

With any luck, he will appoint a head of ATF to drain the swamp.”

Well, if getting rid of it is on his agenda, it’s the first step. Appointing someone to oversee shrinking what it does is step 2. Getting a Republican majority to shut it down is step #3.


16 posted on 11/19/2016 5:59:34 AM PST by vette6387
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To: jimbug
Is this not proof enough of Hussein NOT being BLACK?

C'mon people. A black man as president, still putting black people in chains for a plant!

He's just following the orders of his luciferian masters.

This plant is named as the first gift of God to mankind. They use it as an excuse to oppress and murder.

17 posted on 11/19/2016 6:01:53 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed,)
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To: mad_as_he$$
No, they are enfocring the law as it exists. AND I hate the BATF with every fiber in my body. As long as they exist and mj is still illegal federally they are correct.

So you've taken the side of the ATF against both the Second and Tenth Amendment.

18 posted on 11/19/2016 6:01:54 AM PST by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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To: mad_as_he$$

I know being correct around here is a lonely position.

We cannot ask our federal agents to enforce, say immigration laws, and not enforce gun laws as they are written.

If we are a a nation of laws, we change the laws we do not want. We don’t rise up through revolution—we rise up through the process.


19 posted on 11/19/2016 6:03:36 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Brace. Brace. Brace. Heads down. Do not look up.)
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To: jimbug
I can see a purpose for the BATF, as long as it gets out of the business of restricting common household products (like alcohol, tobacco and firearms) and concentrates instead on regulating weapons based on germs, radioactive materials, poison gas and self-replicating nanorobots.
20 posted on 11/19/2016 6:04:54 AM PST by snarkpup (Socialism causes the worst people to become in charge, if they aren't already.)
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