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The Math: Trump 2016 Would’ve Beaten Obama 2012
National Review ^ | November 9, 2016 | Tim Alberta

Posted on 11/09/2016 6:00:39 PM PST by bobsunshine

It’s easy to glance at Tuesday’s popular vote — which, with 92 percent of all precincts reporting, shows Hillary Clinton with six million fewer votes than Barack Obama won in 2012 – and reach the conclusion that Clinton lost the White House because she failed to turn out the Democratic base. But the truth is much more complicated. While she underperformed relative to Obama’s 2012 totals in several Midwestern states — Ohio, Michigan, Iowa, and Wisconsin — Clinton ran virtually even with Obama in the battlegrounds of Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Virginia, Nevada, and New Hampshire.

What’s more, she far surpassed Obama’s 2012 vote total in Florida, the country’s biggest swing state. Yet somehow, while Obama carried Florida, Clinton lost it.

Which brings us to an important question: Was Donald Trump just good enough to beat a bad Democratic opponent on Tuesday, or does he deserve far more credit? Could he, for instance, have competed with the vaunted Obama machine? The answer, somewhat shockingly, is yes. A review of vote totals in the past two elections reveals that Trump 2016 would have defeated Obama 2012 in the electoral college.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: duplicate; election; obama; trump

1 posted on 11/09/2016 6:00:39 PM PST by bobsunshine
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To: bobsunshine

So - he ended up running four years TOO LATE, darn it all!


2 posted on 11/09/2016 6:05:32 PM PST by Old Grumpy
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To: bobsunshine

That is a heck of an interesting analysis. Very impressive and very surprising.


3 posted on 11/09/2016 6:07:36 PM PST by InterceptPoint (Ted, you finally endorsed. About time.)
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To: bobsunshine

Hasn’t that been our point all along to the GOPe - We need a candidate that boldly stands for a difference - not Democrat -lite?


4 posted on 11/09/2016 6:11:37 PM PST by greeneyes
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To: bobsunshine

Romney would have beaten 0bama in 2012 if he ran a much more careful and directed campaign. He took the gloves off at some point, perhaps out of fear of losing his “nice guy” image-—after he was just a vicious, remorseless scumbag to his Repub co-candidates in the primaries. That election was his to win as there was plenty of dissatisfaction with 0bama. But he consistently eased off his message and attack, surrounded as he was with the usual sycophants.


5 posted on 11/09/2016 6:14:11 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (I had a cool idea for a new tagline and I forgot it!)
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To: bobsunshine

We weren’t facing the dire consequences then we are now. Donald Duck could have beaten Hillary and Trump made it close.


6 posted on 11/09/2016 6:17:17 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (NoHellary)
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This is stupid. Florida has almost 1 million more registered voters in 2016 than 2012. Might as well compare Romney in 2012 to FDR in 1940.


7 posted on 11/09/2016 6:19:01 PM PST by FirstFlaBn
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To: bobsunshine
Better late than never....but better never late.

I think Trump has been studying the whole process for the last 8 years....if not longer.

In 2016 he is focused....sharp....and devastating.

Under budget and ahead of schedule.

8 posted on 11/09/2016 6:23:39 PM PST by spokeshave (In the Thatch Weave,..Trump's Wing Man is Truth.)
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To: bobsunshine

bookmark for future study


9 posted on 11/09/2016 6:39:42 PM PST by dadfly
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To: bobsunshine

Wow. This had to hurt Nat Disgrace to write.


10 posted on 11/09/2016 6:41:12 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Donald Duck could have beaten Hillary and Trump made it close.

Huh?

11 posted on 11/09/2016 6:46:17 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: bobsunshine

GOPe would not have gone for Trump in 2012, and we did not know that many candidates were GOPe planted false flag tea-partiers.


12 posted on 11/09/2016 6:48:56 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
So Jeb could have won?????? What planet are you from???? Hitlery would have eaten his lunch. Trump,for all his faults, did something no one else did. He hit back, hard.
13 posted on 11/09/2016 6:54:12 PM PST by prof.h.mandingo
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To: prof.h.mandingo

The thought that Jeb, Cruz, or Rubio would be competitive against Hillary in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Iowa, Wisconsin and Ohio, let alone win one, is absurd.

The GOP ran the only candidate that could have beaten Hillary.


14 posted on 11/09/2016 6:56:48 PM PST by Ted Grant
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To: LS

What’s going on with the vote counting in Arizona? Looking at the NYT election coverage plots, it appears that a new batch of votes was put in the hopper to be counted around 2:45 PM today. Looked like they had about 95% counted, then it fell back to about 80% all at once. The uncertainty bars on the plots expanded at the same time.


15 posted on 11/09/2016 6:58:51 PM PST by Resolute
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To: bobsunshine

Alberta gives important caveats in the title and the article and it is an interesting article. But if Donald Trump had been the GOP nominee in 2012, the actual election results would not necessarily be what the NR article calculates using 2016 data.


16 posted on 11/09/2016 6:59:06 PM PST by Carl Vehse
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

We FINALLY found a candidate who would actually fight back against the RAT machine.

Romney could have wiped the floor with Obama, but he was more content to be a “nice” loser than a “mean” winner.

The great irony is the Left demonized him anyway.

I pray the GOPe is paying attention, but I’m not expecting it.


17 posted on 11/09/2016 7:01:46 PM PST by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: Resolute

Dinno. Maybe I will call Sec St office tomorrow.


18 posted on 11/09/2016 7:38:32 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: bobsunshine

The author forgot to mention that Hillary Clinton lost Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania by a total of 107,000 votes.

107,000 more votes - and Clinton would have been elected president in 2016.


19 posted on 11/10/2016 9:34:17 AM PST by zeestephen
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Re: Arizona Vote

Here’s the link to the Arizona Secretary of State website.

http://results.arizona.vote/2016/General/n1591/Results-State.html

It says 99.86% of precincts have reported.

Trump won by 85,000 votes and beat Clinton by over 4%.

20 posted on 11/10/2016 9:43:52 AM PST by zeestephen
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