Posted on 10/27/2016 9:36:53 AM PDT by detective
I spoke to someone yesterday who is very linked in with the political powers that be.
She is usually right in what she says. Her predictions almost always turn out to be true.
She said there is a very strong chance that Obama will give Hillary Clinton a complete and unconditional pardon before leaving office.
She says the attorneys are already working on the wording to make sure it is all encompassing and completely irreversible.
She is a very honest and moral woman.
What do you think?
Any information on this?
That’s what I thought. How do you pardon something that has yet to be proven?
I wish people would quit posting this...it's not true.
I don't think he likes her either.
I am assuming Obama would get something very substantial in return for a pardon.
Pay to play. that is how these people think.
I’ve never been clear whether that was legal or not. It was accepted and unchallenged by a country which just wanted it to all go away at the time, but we’re not the same country anymore. I don’t know whether it would go unchallenged today and don’t know the legal specifics as to whether it would be deemed legal and proper or not.
In one sense I am okay with it. The lefies always try to argue that the Clintons have never done anything wrong and that all the scandals are just right-wing witch hunts. A pardon puts an end to that BS. Innocent people don’t need to be pardoned.
Nixon was pardoned by Ford for any crimes he may have committed while in office and related to the office....had Nixon robbed a bank while in office, the pardon wouldn't have included that. Hillary has violated federal laws both in and out of office and it would be very difficult to issue that broad scoped pardon.
Another thing to remember: a pardon eliminates the possibility of criminal prosecution. It does NOT eliminate the possibility of impeachment. If she wins and is pardoned, it’s hard to argue that she’s innocent. Even absent enough Senate votes to remove her, I would not mind seeing some Dem Senators on record voting to not remove a known criminal from office.
Another question which I really don’t know the answer to: If others involved with the Clinton scandals are not pardoned and are prosecuted, and if Hillary is subpoenaed to testify, can she plead the fifth? I would think not since she cannot incriminate herself due to the pardon, but I am unsure. If she did testify and lied under oath, could she then be prosecuted for perjury? I would assume a person cannot be pardoned for crimes committed AFTER the pardon was granted. The Nixon example does not apply here. Nixon was pardoned for crimes already committed but not yet prosecuted, not for actions he took after the pardon.
you cannot pardon someone that hasn’t been charged, and convicted, of a crime
Sounds about right if she LOSES! But can he pardon himself? It would be great also for Trump to use the power of Govmnt to find out once and for all the status of the musscum named obummer!
Upon reflection, if she loses, will she need a pardon? I suspect soon after losing, it will be discovered she has a debilitating illness.
It would be mean spirited to prosecute someone who has sacrificed so much of her life in the service of her country and been an inspiration for women everywhere. /S
If others involved with the Clinton scandals are not pardoned and are prosecuted,
But haven’t many been given immunity by the FBI?
I think I would actually prefer that Obama do that. For a president to prosecute his political opponent I think sets a terrible precedent, and not doing so in this case also sets a terrible precedent.For Obama to pardon Hillary would constitute Obama taking responsibility, as it were, for his policy of evading the FOIA. And if there is one thing I do not expect, it is that Trump would allow the prosecution of Obama himself.
Ultimately Obama pardoning Hillary would IMHO be the least worst option, sadly.
It is a complete disaster. The Clintons are a complete moral disaster. We knew that back in the nineties, you could feel it in your bones before they even took over the WH.
Obama can fashion a pardon broad enough to encompass anything that Hillary may have done from 2001 to 2016. None of it needs to have been charged. If you have a case cite that prevents a President’s blanket pardon of any and all offenses committed by a specific person over a specific period of time, I’ll be happy to read it.
Sorry, but your "friend" is full of it.
The point of pardoning her would be a final knife in the back of her reputation (such as it is). “Oh, Trump pardoned Hillary? Geez, she must’ve REALLY done something wrong, and they worked out a deal. Guess that Trump was right, she was crooked.”
Then she walks/stumbles around for the rest of her life without a chance for rehabilitation (she’s no Nixon - he actually accomplished things, he actually KNEW something about foreign policy). Final humiliation, SOME justice on this Earth, that kind of thing.
“There is no such thing as a blanket pardon for uncharged crimes.”
Ford gave Nixon a full preemptive pardon even though Nixon had not been charged.
Gerald Ford gave Richard Nixon a full and unconditional pardon for any crimes he might have committed against the United States while president.
Ford gave Nixon a full preemptive pardon even though Nixon had not been charged.
Gerald Ford gave Richard Nixon a full and unconditional pardon for any crimes he might have committed against the United States while president.
Is such a thing even defined under the Constitution? It never was questioned at the time. That doesn’t mean that, say, Donald Trump can’t come along and question it.
“I’ve never been clear whether that was legal or not. It was accepted and unchallenged by a country which just wanted it to all go away at the time, but we’re not the same country anymore. I don’t know whether it would go unchallenged today and don’t know the legal specifics as to whether it would be deemed legal and proper or not.”
In 1866, the Supreme Court ruled in Ex parte Garland that the pardon power “extends to every offence known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment.” (In that case, a former Confederate senator successfully petitioned the court to uphold a pardon that prevented him from being disbarred.) Generally speaking, once an act has been committed, the president can issue a pardon at any time—regardless of whether charges have even been filed.
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