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The Kilo-Class Submarine: Why Russia's Enemies Fear "The Black Hole"
The National Interest ^ | October 23, 2016 | Kyle Mizokami

Posted on 10/24/2016 6:39:15 AM PDT by Strategy

Unlike the United States Navy, which went all-in on nuclear power, Russia maintains fleets of both diesel and nuclear-powered submarines. A land power encompassing much of Eurasia, Russian submarines are based much closer to "the action" than American submarines are. While Russia maintains nuclear submarines for distant ocean patrols, its fleet of diesel submarines is more than adequate for conflicts in Europe, the Middle East and the Russian near abroad.

The mainstay of the Russian Navy's conventionally powered fleet are Project 877-class submarines, known as the Kilo class to NATO and the West. Nicknamed the "Black Hole" submarine by the U.S. Navy, the improved Kilos are extremely quiet. The class has been built more or less continuously for thirty years, a testament to their effectiveness at sea.

The Kilo class was originally meant to serve the navies of the Warsaw Pact countries, replacing older Whiskey- and Foxtrot-class boats. The sub measures just 238 feet long by thirty-two feet wide, and displace 3,076 tons submerged. The ship has a crew of just twelve officers and forty-one enlisted men, and has an endurance of forty-five days before needing to be resupplied.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalinterest.org ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: navy; obama; putin; russia; syria
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To: Scrambler Bob
There is no evidence, but just the allegation deserves investigation.

How would you do that?

21 posted on 10/24/2016 7:19:41 AM PDT by Lower Deck
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To: Gaffer

IIRC, Clancy was approached by a Naval security officer after The Hunt for Red October was published asking him how he knew about certain things he had written about.

Clancy’s replied he learned of it from bits and pieces gleaned from published naval journals.


22 posted on 10/24/2016 7:19:42 AM PDT by Rebelbase (DRAIN THE SWAMP!)
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To: wastoute
Didn’t our acoustics guys learn to locate subs that were quiet by finding locations that had “absent” normal ocean noise?

Why do I (and the entire world) need to know that?

An Obama supporter?

23 posted on 10/24/2016 7:20:17 AM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: Rebelbase

Yes, sometimes the Navy is sloppy in that way, but still, they don’t as a policy endorse or publicize overtly what their detection capabilities are. I might add that a lot of military personnel of different flavors liked his work and that it is possible that one or more of them personally filtered what they knew and didn’t do a very good job of it.

The urge to brag and divulge is sometimes strong with those loosely connected to things like this, and they think ‘talking in code or being nebulous’ is not divulging capabilities.


24 posted on 10/24/2016 7:22:45 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Paladin2
“What happened to the Tango Class?” Good question.

Tango classes have been canceled due to flooding in the city of Buenos Aires.

25 posted on 10/24/2016 7:24:01 AM PDT by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: BatGuano

*Groan*


26 posted on 10/24/2016 7:28:43 AM PDT by Rebelbase (DRAIN THE SWAMP!)
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To: Scrambler Bob
Here's a new hatchling:

In a few short years, it will be a Typhoon. :)

27 posted on 10/24/2016 7:37:42 AM PDT by PLMerite (Lord, let me die fighting lions. Amen.)
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To: Lower Deck

Well, you would have to use demoncrat logic.

Sorry.


28 posted on 10/24/2016 7:40:27 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob ( LOTS of /s)
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To: Gaffer
Anything like that (and other means) is still classified.

You can find these things out, as long as your source doesn't intend to tell you.

29 posted on 10/24/2016 7:41:31 AM PDT by C210N
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To: publius911

Keep reading, publias.


30 posted on 10/24/2016 7:41:59 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Paladin2

31 posted on 10/24/2016 8:17:36 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: All

Quiet technology helped by an illegal transfer from Japan and Norway IIRC...

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/06/22/opinion/submarined-by-japan-and-norway.html


32 posted on 10/24/2016 8:21:44 AM PDT by az_gila
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To: Strategy

They have one of these you can tour in San Diego. Very cool ginormous compared to a WWII sub.


33 posted on 10/24/2016 8:27:02 AM PDT by usurper
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To: wastoute

I thought the Kilo class was mainly based out of Venezuela and Columbia hauling ‘Freight’ for the cartels.


34 posted on 10/24/2016 8:48:06 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: wastoute

:-)


35 posted on 10/24/2016 9:44:32 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: fella
Narco Submarines at Wikipedia.
36 posted on 10/24/2016 9:53:54 AM PDT by NorthMountain (Hillary Clinton: Such a nasty woman ...)
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To: NorthMountain

A zillion pictures of them here.

http://www.hisutton.com/Narco%20Subs%20101.html


37 posted on 10/24/2016 10:26:59 AM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Strategy

38 posted on 10/24/2016 11:33:06 AM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: Paladin2

I was late to the “I see what you did there” party.


39 posted on 10/24/2016 11:36:51 AM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Paladin2

For the record, I am one of the only few that got your Tango joke.


40 posted on 10/24/2016 11:38:38 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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