Does Your iPhone Suffer from So-Called 'Touch Disease'?

toptechnews.com ^ | 10/4/2016 | Kif Leswing

[Gene Eric]

Yes, 6s does. And Siri often interrupts me before I can get more than two words out. But it’s still an awesome phone.

Ping, Swordmaker

[AnthonySoprano]

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Yes, I have it and so does another IPhone 6plus on my account.

I shouldn’t have to buy new phones, but this is just not good. Business call and the screen won’t let you answer! Ugh!

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[Swordmaker]

Yes, 6s does. And Siri often interrupts me before I can get more than two words out. But it’s still an awesome phone.

That's not the Touch Disease. The 6S is not susceptible to the Touch Disease. . . yet. It may in the future. All modern electronics use non-lead solder that can grow Tin Whiskers which is the real cause of this.

Touch Disease is only a problem for a few older model iPhone 6 models, not the 6S. You may have another problem.

[Gene Eric]

Probably. Calluses might be a factor.

[glock rocks]

You can’t move the phone while answering. Hold it still, and you can answer.

[Elderberry]

My Son’s phone has it. He was getting around it for a long time by flexing the phone to make it work. He has since upgraded to the Galaxy Note 7, that he likes a lot. He is done with Apple. He was an Apple user since Iphone 4.
He took his phone to the Apple store and they messed with it. They gave it back to him and said if it still didn’t work then he needed to buy a new phone. They didn’t fix a thing. He was wanting to give it to his Mom. He found a tech online and he’s fixing to send it off for repair.

[Enterprise]

I had my phone seize up once and not respond to touch. I turned it off and on and it has worked ok since then.

[Elderberry]

All modern electronics use non-lead solder that can grow Tin Whiskers which is the real cause of this.

That's not how Apple describes it:

Colloquially called "touch disease," the issue appears to stem from failure of the chips that translate the user's touch to information the iPhone can use. These controller chips are sometimes failing outright, and in other cases the microscopic solder joints connecting each chip to the motherboard are breaking, causing the progressive failures.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/08/26/sources-iphone-6-series-touch-disease-now-accounting-for-about-11%-of-apple-store-repairs

[Rebelbase]

My ex-wife developed touch disease.

[Swordmaker]

That's not how Apple describes it:

Apple has not described it at all. That's a blog.

I've talked to the techs at one of the largest Apple Authorized repair depots in Northern California and they have not even had a single one come through it's so rare. However, they have been talking to people who have micro-examined specimens that have developed the symptoms and each and every one of them has shown Tin or Zinc Whiskers growing from a solder pad and touching another Tin or Zinc Whisker growing from another solder pad. When they touch, they short out. A slight bend in the phone will break the short, allowing the phone to work for a while.

Tin Whisker growing between contacts

[RayChuang88]

I must be VERY fortunate that my iPhone 6 (64 GB Space Gray) has never had this problem. Probably because my phone is also protected by a strong case right from the start.

[Swordmaker]

The claim that Apple Touch disease accounts for 11% of Genius Bar visits is totally bogus. That claim came from a company that developed the fix of soldering new chips on iPhone 6 Plus boards that had the problem and issued a press release. After the claim was picked up by the press, and was debunked, it pretty much disappeared from sight. As I said, I investigated this claim and went to the largest Apple Authorized Repair shop in Northern California (I had another reason to be there) and asked about the "Touch Disease" and they had never had even a single one with the problem come in. . . and they got thousands of iPhones for repair. Not a single one. So 11% is absurd.

In fact, when I tracked things down, I found that even the company who made the claim said they were getting "a few dozen a month with the problem sent to us to fix." That's out of 250 MILLION of the iPhone 6 and 6 plus produced. Dozens a month is not a huge problem.

Out of their press release to generate business, this whole "iPhone Touch Disease" meme was built. You may have the problem. It does exist and more will come because the government forced the electronics industry to use a new mixture of solder that did not have lead in it. Lead inhibited the growth of the Zinc and Tin whiskers. They will still grow, but at a much slower rate and not until years later.

[minnesota_bound]

Choice is touch disease or fireball with today’s phones.
I would like a phone that I can clearly hear the caller and gets great reception. Anyone know of one?

[Elderberry]

I don't think its a rare problem. My Son's old phone has it.

http://www.extremetech.com/electronics/236341-apple-is-aware-of-iphone-6-touch-disease-but-refuses-to-discuss-it

Apple is aware of iPhone 6 ‘touch disease,’ but refuses to discuss it

The iPhone 6’s so-called ‘touch disease‘ is a well-known issue within Apple — the company simply doesn’t want to discuss it. That’s according to Apple store employees, who claim that they’ve been informed by both their own supervisors and the company’s internal repair tracking system to be aware of the problem, which can affect both the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus, but is much more common on the latter.

The new report comes courtesy of Motherboard, which helped break the initial story. The problem is related to the iPhone 6’s flexibility and a decision Apple made to remove the underfill from between the touch ICs, which control the touchscreen’s function, and the grid of solder joints that connect these chips to their motherboard. Typically underfill is used to strengthen the connection between the chips and the board, and to ensure that the solder won’t crack. Combine a more flexible device with the lack of underfill, and you’ve got a recipe for disaster. The iPhone 6s and 6s Plus are not currently believed to suffer from this problem.

According to the Apple employees, Apple’s backend system is now designed to immediately lock out repair options for the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus, and to inform customers that their only way forward is to pay a $329 replacement fee if the customer is out of warranty. At first, early phones with a problem allowed for a display replacement under warranty, but this is no longer the case. Apple no longer even allows for a screen replacement in the company’s internal system, suggesting the company knows the problem is in the logic board.

Apple’s official response? Nothing at all. The company has refused to acknowledge or even confirm the issue, despite the fact that unofficial research indicates this is a problem that affects a high percentage of iPhone 6 Plus devices. The standard iPhone 6 is much less likely to have a problem, but it’s not issue-free. And there have been reports of devices failing that have been kept in a hard case for their entire operating lives. At least one of the employees Motherboard spoke to informed them they were quitting the company partly because they were tired of telling iPhone 6 Plus owners they had to pay out $329 for a replacement. Touch disease can be repaired by swapping out the ICs themselves, and some repair shops will fix broken devices for around $200 — less expensive than a full iPhone 6 Plus, but still far too much money for a problem Apple should’ve anticipated. Removing the underfill from a chip is extremely unusual; it’s designed to be used for a reason.

This kind of attitude might’ve been more permissible when smartphones aged quickly and a two-year-old device was begging for the garbage bin. Today, they’re likely to last a good deal longer. The iPhone 3G I bought in 2009 wasn’t very useful by early 2012. My iPhone 5c, in contrast, has aged much more gracefully. As smartphones have become more capable, they’re also aging more slowly (apart from the typical lithium-ion battery degradation, which still sucks). Plus, with the major American wireless carriers, now you can “pay off” the phone and then enjoy a lower monthly bill, something that wasn’t nearly as easy to pull off several years ago — so the incentive to hold onto a perfectly serviceable device is even stronger than it used to be.

Apple is already facing a class-action suit for its touch disease issues. But the company seems to think it can stonewall, wave the iPhone 7, and convert customers without any damage to its brand or name. This behavior is ridiculous, given the the entire problem is Apple’s fault to start with.

[RegulatorCountry]

I’m a Mac guy and have had Apple phones for years, but intentionally stay behind the curve to keep the plan cost down. Currently have two 5s phones on the plan, they have Siri, they do what we need. No problems with touch. Only problem I’ve experienced at all is an occasionally mixed up screen when viewing the internet and rotating to or from landscape. It always resolves quickly without my having to do anything else, so I haven’t bothered to do anything about it.

[Swordmaker]

I don't think its a rare problem. My Son's old phone has it.

I've been following this issue since it was first announced and I see nothing new. No further expansion in the numbers of iPhones supposedly being struck down. This latest article is merely a re-hash of the original article from August. Nothing new. There is no increase in the numbers on the help forums, no developments beyond the ones reported in August. I haven't had a chance to call Albert, the head tech at the Apple Authorized Repair Service to see if they've seen any yet since this latest incarnation of the "Touch Disease" article has appeared, but I think I will.

Back in August, the largest forum I found had 700 or so posts. . . with most of the comments being responses offering suggestions to the ones who were questioning what had happened to their phones, not others piping in with "me too" comments you usually see when a serious problem is occurring. My estimate was probably under 100 with the problem at most on that Apple forum. . . and that was at the height of the interest.

Looking across the country at numbers, and analyzing what I found, I estimated that fewer than 1500 per month were being seen at all repair locations. . . out of 250,000,000 iPhone 6 and 6S in the wild. . . for this type of problem from what ever cause.

There are some being affected by this, you and your son may be among them. . . but there is nothing new to indicate there is a huge problem. Even those trying to get a class action lawsuit going have not gotten enough participants joining them to get certified because there simply are not enough being affected by the problem.

The issue seems to raise its head every so often as a blogger resurrects the article as this one was by to get page clicks or when a competitor is releasing another Android phone. This time, I suspect it has to do with the upcoming release of the Google Pixel XL phone.

[cynwoody]

Be advised, your tin whisker photos didn't make it to Firefox (they show fine in Chrome).

It seems Firefox doesn't trust nepp.nasa.gov, due to Firefox's lack of a certain root certificate, namely Federal Common Policy CA. This is apparently the subject of Mozilla Bug #478418, which has been festering since 2009 and is way tl;dr.

Here are your photos, sprung from NASA security:

Tin Whisker growing between contacts

[Swordmaker]

Thanks Cynwoody.

[GOP Poet]

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