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Gun-Show Customers’ License Plates Come Under Scrutiny (need a link)
Wall Street Journal ^ | 02 oct 2016

Posted on 10/03/2016 5:20:40 AM PDT by rellimpank

---I can't find a link that works for this article--if someone out there could help , it would be appreciated---

(Excerpt) Read more at wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bangisst; banglist; rkba
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1 posted on 10/03/2016 5:20:40 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

I re-spelled the banglist keyword for ya.
The link might be in there.


2 posted on 10/03/2016 5:23:17 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Vote for your guns!)
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To: rellimpank
Full Article
3 posted on 10/03/2016 5:24:07 AM PDT by PROCON ("Lock Her Up! Lock Her Up!")
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Gun-Show Customers’ License Plates Come Under Scrutiny
4 posted on 10/03/2016 5:24:30 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: rellimpank

Yet another example of the continuous violations of our Constitution under this regime. If we don’t vote these people out and elect people who will prosecute to the fullest limit of our laws who have committed these crimes against us, America is done.


5 posted on 10/03/2016 5:26:15 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: PROCON

Nope. Have to sign up to enter site


6 posted on 10/03/2016 5:29:03 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Chainmail
If we don’t vote these people out and elect people who will prosecute to the fullest limit of our laws who have committed these crimes against us, America is done.

In 1776 less than half of the people were for booting out the British

Thomas Jefferson: “ The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

7 posted on 10/03/2016 5:33:42 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero
I think WSJ like some other papers track your ISP address and only allow so many full articles.

I was able to access the whole article.

8 posted on 10/03/2016 5:33:58 AM PDT by PROCON ("Lock Her Up! Lock Her Up!")
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"at gun shows in Southern California, including one in Del Mar, not far from the Mexican border."

"Agents then compared that information to cars that crossed the border, hoping to find gun smugglers, according to the documents and interviews with law-enforcement officials with knowledge of the operation".

"There is no indication the gun-show surveillance led to any arrests or investigative leads"

Mexican gun runners can probably get better prices buying directly from Obama's BATF.

9 posted on 10/03/2016 5:34:00 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Every nation has the government it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: rellimpank

I rummaged around a little bit; I couldn’t find the whole article, but a bigger excerpt is here

http://kenm77.newsvine.com/_news/2016/10/02/36166177-gun-show-customers-license-plates-come-under-scrutiny-wsj

and a related story from the ACLU in 2015 is here

http://kenm77.newsvine.com/_news/2016/10/02/36166177-gun-show-customers-license-plates-come-under-scrutiny-wsj


10 posted on 10/03/2016 5:35:15 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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whoops here’s that ACLU article

https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-future/dea-planned-monitor-gun-show-attendees-license-plate-readers-new-emails-reveal


11 posted on 10/03/2016 5:35:54 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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“There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live — did live, from habit that became instinct — in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and ... every movement scrutinized.”

- George Orwell, 1984


12 posted on 10/03/2016 5:38:40 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: PROCON; Vaquero
---yep--I can't get on with any of these links either--

-( the Denver Post used to have a limit but have removed it--seems to vary by the paper)

13 posted on 10/03/2016 5:39:24 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: Vaquero

Copy and paste the title in Google or Bing. That should take you to the full article.


14 posted on 10/03/2016 5:39:33 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Hillary Clinton AKA The Potemkin Princess of the Potomac)
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To: jiggyboy

-—good one —thanks—


15 posted on 10/03/2016 5:41:25 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

—that got it for me , too-—thanks—


16 posted on 10/03/2016 5:46:10 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank

That works for most pay sites.


17 posted on 10/03/2016 5:54:30 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Hillary Clinton AKA The Potemkin Princess of the Potomac)
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To: RandallFlagg
They used to do that years ago in Nashville. Some of us would go outside and follow them around. They were playing at doing something relevant.
18 posted on 10/03/2016 5:58:14 AM PDT by dljordan (WhoVoltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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Related from a surprising source, too:

https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-future/dea-planned-monitor-gun-show-attendees-license-plate-readers-new-emails-reveal

Free Future
DEA Planned to Monitor Gun Show Attendees With License Plate Readers, New Emails Reveal
Jay Stanley, Senior Policy Analyst, ACLU Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project
& Bennett Stein, ACLU Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project
January 27, 2015 | 

The Drug Enforcement Administration and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives collaborated on plans to monitor gun show attendees using automatic license plate readers, according to a newly disclosed DEA email obtained by the ACLU through the Freedom of Information Act.

The April 2009 email states that “DEA Phoenix Division Office is working closely with ATF on attacking the guns going to [redacted] and the gun shows, to include programs/operation with LPRs at the gun shows.” The government redacted the rest of the email, but when we received this document we concluded that these agencies used license plate readers to collect information about law-abiding citizens attending gun shows. An automatic license plate reader cannot distinguish between people transporting illegal guns and those transporting legal guns, or no guns at all; it only documents the presence of any car driving to the event. Mere attendance at a gun show, it appeared, would have been enough to have one’s presence noted in a DEA database.

Responding to inquiries about the document, the DEA said that the monitoring of gun shows was merely a proposal and was never implemented. We were certainly glad to hear them say this, as we had rationally, based on the scrap of information left unredacted in the document, concluded that gun show monitoring was underway. After all, this would not be the first time that the government has used automatic license plate readers to target the constitutionally protected right to assemble. In 2009, the Virginia State Police, in collaboration with the Secret Service, recorded the license plates of vehicles attending President Obama’s inauguration, as well as campaign rallies for Obama and vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin. And unfortunately our security agencies — yesterday and today — have shown a pattern of engaging in systematic surveillance of peaceful assembly.

The DEA’s statement alleviates some concerns, but if the program was cancelled, why didn’t we get any documents reflecting that decision in response to our FOIA request? The agency should now release such documents, and also create and release a written policy that it will not target First Amendment-protected activity in the future.

While in general we have not opposed the use of ALPRs for their stated purpose of checking plates against “hot lists” of known or suspected lawbreakers — provided the data on everyone else is not retained — we have serious concerns about using the technology in a way that is specifically targeted at people exercising their constitutionally protected rights.

In 2012, the ACLU filed public records requests in 38 states and Washington, D.C. seeking information about the use of automatic license plate readers. Our July 2013 report, You Are Being Tracked, summarized our findings. But the ACLU also filed FOIA requests with federal agencies, including the DEA.

Automatic license plate readers must not be used to collect information on lawful activity — whether it be peacefully assembling for lawful purposes, or driving on the nation’s highways. Without strong regulations and greater transparency, this new technology will only increase the threat of illegitimate government surveillance.
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    National Security Privacy & Technology Privacy and Surveillance Location Tracking Automatic License Plate Readers Mass Incarceration The War on Drugs Drug Laws


19 posted on 10/03/2016 5:59:22 AM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

The ATF in Little Rock has been doing it for years...I caught an agent once out in the fair grounds parking lot taking down license plate numbers including mine and once confronted he hurried away.


20 posted on 10/03/2016 6:02:12 AM PDT by dpetty121263
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