Posted on 09/23/2016 7:40:17 PM PDT by keat
Between 2003 and 2009 the Iraq war resulted in 109,032 deaths, which included 66,081 civilian deaths. George W. Bush's war is widely considered to be a disaster.
In comparison, Obama's Syrian war has produced 470,000 deaths to date with civilian deaths estimated at north of 100,000. It's also produced a global refugee crisis and multiplied terror attacks around the world most notably the U.S.
I call it Obama's war because, (a) he started it with his petulant and ill-advised Arab Spring movement, and (b) he greatly prolonged it through inaction and indecisiveness, which has emboldened Russia.
Just a little tidbit I don't hear much about in the media.
Points very well made, and should be taken serious. Because probably it was some Americans who died in Iran and few Americans in Syria the press coverage was different..
Don’t forget, at the outset of this War in Syria, Barak Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize. Something sounds strange.
Obama /Hillary had a hand in killing double that number
It is my view that both those presidents weren’t worth a crap.
If you add Libya, which Hillary/Powers/Rice/Obama destroyed, you get another huge number of deaths.
I agree. Donald Trump owes his ascendance to the utter disdain many Republicans have for the Bush family.
The Nobel prize committee made the Peace Prize a farce when they awarded to Yassar Arafat. It became an even bigger joke when they gave it to Obama for doing absolutely nothing. If they had any integrity at all, they would rescind it.
remember “WND” that were not. 5000 AMERICAN dead and 38,000 WOUNDED. Bush needs jail time. This is the saddest sickest error in American history. GO TRUMP!!
All in all the GOP congress failed in all occasions. The dems are a given, anything else?
It was demRATs big chance to prove how much better job they could do.
Some things are for sure, the persecution of Christians did start soon after the Iraq invasion, the more I look into that, the idea might not have been so bad; the way it was managed is. Though, if I could go back in time, I suppose now I’d be against it. Pat Buchanan and some others definitely were. Best not to get involved over there unless we did rescue Christians.
Syrian invasion? I don’t remember it, Assad dynasty aiding i the bombing of the Beirut Marine Barracks? I remember that. Syria funneling weapons to Hezbollah from Iran. That goes on as we speak.
Clinton was right there as well, so it is Clinton and Obama’s war.
How does one tally civilian casualties when terrorists die wearing their civilian clothes?
When we went into Libya what did we find there, working on establishing a nuclear program there?
An Iraqi nuclear scientist named Obeidi... the same guy in whose “rose garden” back in Iraq were found the buried prototype for a uranium enrichment centrifuge along with a pile of blueprints and other research materials, all of which were supposed to have been declared and presented to the arms inspectors for destruction years before rather than kept to restart a program once sanctions were lifted.
Bush said all along Saddam had to go because the regime intended to RECONSTITUTE its nuclear program and because the regime consistently failed to live up to its cease fire obligations...and because Iraq had been providing training and ID to terrorists...and because Iraq’s development of long range missiles was a violation of its agreements. And that was true; Iraq never did live up to its obligations and stood in the way of verification every step of the way... and right up to the invasion new items were being found that had not been accounted for, as you can read in David Kay and Duelfer’s reports.
When Obeidi told the press all about how Saddam had given up on nukes - though the only reason Iraq failed to turn over the prototype and decided to hide it instead was because it thought it might need it to reconstitute its program - he forgot to mention Saddam’s program at the moment was outsourced to Libya, among other places, and forgot to mention his employment [and the employment of other Iraqis] by Qadaffi and no doubt, the Syrians, whose program, which included Nork technicians and scientists, was stymied for a moment by the Israeli strike.
But then the press pretty much completely missed the whole Qadeer Khan network and never did name all the countries- at least 7- which were directly involved in that network, a network which existed for the purposes of dispersing portions of each country’s WMD programs to bypass the inspection process. And the press didn’t linger very long over whose house KSM was captured in and its owner’s connections to the global proliferation business that was the AQKhan Network.
But then the press also overlooked that one of the terms Saddam was supposed to meet was to return all POWs from its invasion of Kuwait more than ten years before...originally over 900 people ... as well as additional POWs from its war with Iran before that [most of whom turned up dead and stored in a warehouse in Basra, others in mass graves] ... and also overlooked was that Iraq had an American civilian imprisoned in Abu Ghraibh who was only released when US troops arrived in Baghdad. The press also omitted mention of Iraq memos directing the “surviving” Kuwaiti POWs to be spread around as human shields.
And the press and Bush’s detractors ignore the fact that ISIS’s future first co-commander was a 1999 Millennium Plotter who parked himself in Baghdad before our invasion with a passel of Egyptian followers, and had an outlying secondary group camped on the border with Iran who had recently fled Afghanistan and were being aided by Saddam’s mukhabarat in exchange for their services against anti-Saddam Kurds. Also in Baghdad at the time, with Saddam’s approval, was the head of ANO, who was famous for tossing an American off of a hijacked cruise ship, among other things... until the regime decided to snuff him and also in Iraq with regime approval and compensation at the time was a ringleader of the folks who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993..., and also at the time was an Iraqi facilitator who assisted two of the 9/11 hijackers when they attended a meeting in Malaysia where the planning of the bombing of the USS Cole [as it was refueling on its mission to police the sanctions on Iraq] was underway.
Nor did the press explain the purpose of all the drums of pesticides stored in Iraq’s military facilities- in a country whose nurserymen and farmers were chronically short of pesticides. ...
The Iraq War was never just about finding preassembled, ready-to-use WMD. It was always about Iraq’s deliberate obstruction of the inspections process and failure to come up with an accounting of the weapons, precursors, and documentation it ADMITTED it had.
Interesting read, thanks.
All this is rationalization which fails with the actual findings and the disastrous results. All are entitled to their opinion but not their own facts.
Over 4800 U.S. military personnel died in Iraq. No U.S. personnel have died in Syria. Yet.
Yeah, the Iraq war was “widely considered to be a failure” by some of the same a-holes he would scream the loudest of nothing was done.
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