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BREAKING: Tulsa police officer Betty Shelby charged with 1st degree manslaughter
KTUL ^ | September 22, 2016 | Staff

Posted on 09/22/2016 1:46:01 PM PDT by Trump20162020

Tulsa County DA: Charges of manslaughter in 1st degree will be filed against Officer Betty Shelby.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: bettyshelby; cops; crutcher; leo; oklahoma; police; terencecrutcher; tulsa; tulsashooting
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To: JudyinCanada

....” I suspect she got scared and adrenaline took over.”....

My first thought too....but you could never pay me enough to be a police officer in todays world....never!


161 posted on 09/22/2016 2:51:14 PM PDT by caww
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To: RitaOK

“This was an open and shut case.”

I don’t know what everyone else around here observed but I watched the video several times and cannot determine if the shoot was justified or not. It looked like the man was disregarding instructions and chose to walk back to his vehicle and attempted to reach inside. I could not determine from the video if the window was opened or closed. Also, it looked to me like he reached in his pocket.
Is there another video, that I haven’t seen, with clear audio and video that provides a more conclusive evaluation of the incident?


162 posted on 09/22/2016 2:52:04 PM PDT by slouper (LWRC SPR 5.56)
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To: Safetgiver

“We’re in a heap of trouble, Tonto!”

Tonto’s nervous reply, “Uhh...who do you mean we, pale-face?”


163 posted on 09/22/2016 2:52:49 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: Timpanagos1
"That motion would not be granted".

You're probably right, sigh.

Leni

164 posted on 09/22/2016 2:58:11 PM PDT by MinuteGal (GO, TRUMP !!!...GO, PENCE !!!)
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To: Starboard

IN this case, she shouldn’t have even attempted to shoot to wound.

I’m not sure why she shot at all.

If she had her gun drawn, she should have had her trigger finger extended down the side of the gun and not on the trigger, because I can’t see how he presented any danger to her life as he was.

Also, if you are familiar with firing a pistol, then let’s not make calls for shooting to wound, because that is just ridiculous. That’s what the taser is for.

Bullets are for killing.


165 posted on 09/22/2016 2:58:41 PM PDT by chris37 (How do you make Republicans turn on their own candidate? Sneak up behind them and say "Boo".)
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To: Trump20162020

So the guy was surrounded by four(4)cops and she pushes through and shoots the guy? Is that how it happened? Too many different stories.


166 posted on 09/22/2016 2:59:28 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("They Say That Nobody's Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: Sans-Culotte
True.

More PC delusion about a female handling men.

167 posted on 09/22/2016 3:04:07 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: knarf

Blacks are know for high blood pressure makes sense


168 posted on 09/22/2016 3:07:48 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Trump20162020

First degree is a stretch, more like 2nd degree at the most. Expect this to be knocked down and a long drawn out court fight. My guess in the end is that it will be Manslaughter.


169 posted on 09/22/2016 3:08:55 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: slouper
I could not determine from the video if the window was opened or closed.

Window was rolled up. There are pictures of the vehicle with blood on the driver-side window, which obviously could not occur had it been rolled down.

170 posted on 09/22/2016 3:09:23 PM PDT by Trump20162020
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To: Mr. K
I think it was an accident, and if it was she should have said so Too much tension for too long, and when the guy was Tasered she accidentally pulled the trigger too.

I have wondered about that from the beginning...

171 posted on 09/22/2016 3:11:47 PM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!)
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To: traderrob6

He reached into his pocket twice and was ordered to take his hands out. He then is said to have reached into the vehicle. Are you saying he was only trying to warm his hands?


172 posted on 09/22/2016 3:11:54 PM PDT by bgill (From the CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: poinq

We need to know what the other officers are saying.


173 posted on 09/22/2016 3:14:11 PM PDT by bgill (From the CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: Deo volente
From her story:

At about 7:36 p.m. Friday, dispatchers received a 911 call about an abandoned SUV in the middle of a street, with the driver's door open and the engine still running...

When Shelby approached the car, the doors were closed...

Huh?

174 posted on 09/22/2016 3:14:51 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (The government, by its very nature, cannot give except what it first takes.)
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To: Trump20162020
I said it earlier and I'll say it again. Since the MSM has continuously abused their First Amendment Right of Freedom of Press, they should no longer be given access to any evidence regarding a potential crime, especially VIDEO evidence.

Such evidence should only be released after a thorough investigation has taken place and only THEN should the MSM be allowed to report it........

175 posted on 09/22/2016 3:15:42 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (If only Hillary had married OJ instead......)
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To: knarf
We'll have to wait for court testimony, but ... What if the cop beside her shot the taser and the perp continued to move as if not tased ? Split second decision time

That's her only hope. If that was the case, I think she was justified. On the video, it appears she might have fired much later... maybe even, after he was on the ground.

No excuse for that, other than.... a mistake.

An accident sounds like 2nd Degree manslaughter to me. But, again... it will all depend on the facts. I think there was a non-police eye witness in the parked, on-coming car. That testimony will be crucial.

176 posted on 09/22/2016 3:19:39 PM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!)
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To: chris37

Please, let’s not make ANY “shoot to wound” calls.

Anyone who has fired a handgun knows just how darned difficult it is to hit a stationary target at the range. . .let alone how difficult it is to shoot when filled with adrenaline or fear and when you are moving and against a moving target.

Shooting to wound is Dick Tracy fantasy, a media/Hollywood invention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyW8w3MilOQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCDLkXk2LdM

etc. . .

(Basically a firearm is deadly force and you are shooting at center mass).


177 posted on 09/22/2016 3:20:46 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: SomeCallMeTim

“she accidentally pulled the trigger too.”

Wouldn’t be the first time a female cop had done that.


178 posted on 09/22/2016 3:22:45 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: VaeVictis
Since there was reason to believe the car was a bomb

In the middle of the road, not near any target? Her lawyer tries that and the jury will laugh him out of court.

179 posted on 09/22/2016 3:23:25 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PghBaldy
Wow. Nothing is ever good enough for the black supremacists though.

Next time she should make sure that blacks are in season before she shoots one.

This man is dead for absolutely no reason. She showed terrible judgement and shot him when there was no threat whatsoever to her or anyone else. If that isn't grounds for criminal charges then what is?

180 posted on 09/22/2016 3:24:28 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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