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Which is Better, the F-5E Tiger II or the MiG-21? (A forgotten African war answered the question)
War is Boring ^ | August 08, 2016 | TOM COOPER

Posted on 08/08/2016 3:33:39 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Maj. Yohannes Woldemariam proudly posing in front of the first Northrop F-5A delivered to Ethiopia, in 1966. Photo via S.N.

Which is better? The Northrop F-5E Tiger II or the Mikoyan i Gurevich MiG-21?

There have been countless discussions of this question and, probably, at least as many answers. Over 15,000 of these two cheap, lightweight, simple-to-maintain and -operate fighters were produced and, over the time, they’ve served in more than 60 different air forces — some of which operated both of them.

The usual story is that they never met in combat and thus the ultimate question about their mutual superiority remains unanswered. But actually, they did clash — and not only once. Indeed, their first battles proved decisive in the outcome of a long-forgotten conflict over the Horn of Africa.

The mid-1970s saw Ethiopia descend into political chaos. A military coup removed Emperor Heile Selassie, a close ally of the United States, in 1974. A bloody power struggle then raged between different cliques through Addis Ababa for the next three years.

Massive discontent and low-scale insurgencies in the Ethiopian federal states of Eritrea, Ogaden and Tigray erupted into all-out wars, and insurgents advanced rapidly. Ethiopia appeared to be in a state of dissolution, its military and security apparatus in disorder and unable to maintain the country’s sovereignty.

This was the moment the government of Somalia — run by Maj. Gen. Siad Barre — saw an opportunity to realize its own long-standing political aim — the liberation of all “illegally-occupied Somali territories.”

Predominantly populated by ethnic Somalis, Ogaden became a primary target.

The Somali war plan was relatively simple and based on the assessment — shared by Soviet advisors based in Somalia — that the Ethiopian military would quickly collapse under pressure.

Following extensive preparations and the mobilization of the entire military, Somalia invaded on July 13, 1977, its ground forces supported by a total of around 25 MiG-17s and 29 MiG-21s, all of whose pilots were trained in the former Soviet Union.

Initial successes confirmed pre-war assessments.

Within two weeks, mechanized units of the Somali army overran the Ethiopian garrison at Gode, shot down one Ethiopian F-5E with an SA-7 Grail shoulder-fired missile and bombed Harar airfield and destroyed a Douglas DC-3 belonging to Ethiopian Airlines. A pair of MiG-17s shot down a Douglas C-47 transport of the Ethiopian air force.

Amid the chaos — and because Ethiopia and Somalia severed their diplomatic relations in early 1977 — the government in Addis Ababa was slow to understand what was going on in Ogaden.

The military announced general mobilization but this took weeks to complete. The few army units deployed in Ogaden found themselves isolated and deep behind enemy lines. This was the reason the lonesome C-47 was caught by Somali MiGs.

However, the Ethiopian air force was anything but neutralized. Created with British and Swedish aid in the 1940s and ’50s, this force received plentiful U.S. support starting in the 1960s. It was a small but elite military force, staffed by hand-picked personnel and carefully and intensively trained — at home and abroad.

It didn’t bristle with dozens of shiny aircraft. Its centerpiece was around a dozen each North American F-86 Sabres and Northrop F-5A Freedom Fighters. By 1974, Ethiopian-U.S. relations were good enough for Addis Ababa to request delivery of McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom fighters, but Washington offered 16 Northrop F-5E Tiger IIs, instead, armed with AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles and supported by two Westinghouse AN/TPS-43D radars.

Due to unrest and human rights violations in the country, only eight Tigers were delivered in 1976.

However, contrary to Somali and Soviet expectations, their pilots didn’t sit idle during the months prior to Somali invasion.

Following intelligence reports about the Somali build-up along the border, the air force ran a series of intensive air-combat exercises. One of the TPS-43s was positioned high on the Karamara Pass and F-5Es began flying combat air patrols. Air combat between Ethiopian-flown F-5Es and Somali-flown MiG-21s was thus unavoidable.

The first clash took place during the afternoon of July 24, 1977, when two Tigers intercepted a pair of MiG-21s about to catch another lumbering Ethiopian transport. Expertly guided by the ground control, the number two of the Ethiopian formation, Bezabih Petros, scored a truly historic victory — the first confirmed kill ever for the Ethiopian air force, and the first ever for the F-5E in air combat against a MiG-21.

Only a day later, Lagesse Teferra managed a special feat in the course of what eventually proved the biggest air battle of the Ogaden war. While leading a trio of F-5Es, he intercepted a formation of four MiG-21s that was providing top cover for four MiG-17s.

The appearance of the Ethiopian Tigers caused two Somali MiG-21s — including one flown by the commander of Hargheisa air base, Col. Mussa — to collide.

Lagesse then shot down the third with cannon fire. His wingmen Bacha Hunde and Afework Kidanu then finished off the fourth Somali plane. Finally, Lagesse attacked the MiG-17s and shot down two with AIM-9 missiles.

On July 26, Lagesse Tefera and Bezabih Petros intercepted a pair of MiG-21s that was approaching the forward Ethiopian air base at Dire Dawa. This time, Bezabih damaged a MiG with a Sidewinder and Lagesse finished it off with fire from his 20-millimeter cannons.

Three days later, Bacha Hunde scored his first — and only — confirmed victory of the war. This success enabled Ethiopian airmen to smash numerous enemy supply columns and thus significantly contribute to a victory during the battle for Dire Dawa, which ended the Somali advance into Ogaden in mid-August 1977.

In the course of this clash, Afework Kidanu shot down one MiG-21 on Aug. 19. Ashenafi Gebre Tsadik felled another two days later. Ashenafi and Lagesse scored the last two kills during the final dogfight of the Ogaden war on Sept. 1 1977, destroying another pair of MiG-21s.

Primary opponent of Ethiopian F-5Es — a Somali MiG-21MF, as seen abandoned at Mogadishu International after this site was occupied by U.S. troops in 1992. Although roughly similar to the F-5E in performance, and even superior in some aspect, the type eventually proved no match when flown by better-trained pilots. Claudio Toselli Collection photo

With this, the Somali air force was all but finished. Although it continued operating over Ogaden, it never recovered from its heavy losses. In turn, having secured aerial superiority, the Ethiopians unleashed their air force to conduct a systematic campaign of attacks on the Somali supply system.

Within less than a month, the Somali army inside Ethiopia was short on nearly everything — ammunition, food, fuel and even tanks and transport vehicles — and unable to advance. Ethiopian F-5Es thus won the decisive victory of the Ogaden war — and bought plenty of time for politicians in Addis Ababa to secure Cuban and then Soviet support, which enabled the Ethiopian military to launch a counteroffensive and drive the Somalis out of Ogaden in early April 1978.

Post-war analysis by all involved parties was clear. Not only that the F-5E proved superior to the MiG-21 — not in speed, but certainly in maneuverability at low and medium altitudes, and in terms of endurance and weaponry.

Also, the training provided to the Ethiopians by their U.S. advisors was of much superior quality and far more realistic than that provided to the Somalis by their Soviet instructors.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; dogfight; ethiopia; f5eii; mig21; somalia
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1 posted on 08/08/2016 3:33:40 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Bookmark for later reading.


2 posted on 08/08/2016 3:47:25 AM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Bump


3 posted on 08/08/2016 3:54:45 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Police Lives Matter)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Great post!

When it comes to fighter aircraft since World War II U.S. engineering is vastly superior to Russian or even Chinese copy garbage.


4 posted on 08/08/2016 4:17:42 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Fascinating reading.


5 posted on 08/08/2016 4:38:55 AM PDT by OldNewYork (Operation Wetback II, now with computers)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Thanks for posting.


6 posted on 08/08/2016 5:03:08 AM PDT by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo.)
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To: Enlightened1

Soviet weapons engineering was based around simplicity, ease of repair and, above all quantity. They planned on fighting a war of attrition. Sure, they might lose a lot of equipment but at the volume they were making it they could absorb the loss. Unfortunately that also tells us what value the Soviets put on human life. People were as expendble as equipment and arms.

CC


7 posted on 08/08/2016 5:40:46 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (CC: purveyor of cryptic, snarky posts since December, 2000..)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Isn’t it strange how in the 1960s and 70s it looked like Africa was going somewhere, slowly modernizing, slowly becoming more sophisticated, slowly catching up with the modern world, and now. . . it seems in some ways to have fallen backward in many places? Somalia today is largely a wasteland. Ethiopia is struggling.


8 posted on 08/08/2016 5:59:11 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I think the closely related T-38 Talon is a beautiful aircraft. It was my dream to be flying one had I been born a few years earlier and the Vietnam war had not wound down, causing the USAF to empty the pilot pipeline. One is on display at KSC nearby the Space Mirror.


9 posted on 08/08/2016 6:06:41 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("You can't fake good kids.")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

mark


10 posted on 08/08/2016 6:18:45 AM PDT by sport
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To: sport

Me too.


11 posted on 08/08/2016 6:56:44 AM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting , knitting, always knitting)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Straight numbers out of the book the F-5E had better maneuverability after the first engaged turn. Later modifications of the F-5E included an Improved Handling Qualities mod with a flat "shark" nose and squared off leading edge extensions on the wing root. The F-5 also had automatic programming of the flaps in maneuvering flight.

Another big difference would be the overall quality of the manufacture and maintenance of the aircraft themselves. The Chinese got to the point where they called users of their Mig 21s to warn them of serious reliability issues.

Overall, the F-5 is like an MG of fighter planes. You won't see it winning an F1 race, but on a tight course it is lots of fun to fly and exceptionally reliable. I flew over 2000 hours in the F-5 and only had two emergencies. Neither one of them was anything that caused me to break a sweat.

12 posted on 08/08/2016 7:32:40 AM PDT by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Having fought both I’d prefer to face the MiG-21. The F-5 is very difficult to see head-on inside 5nm.


13 posted on 08/08/2016 7:56:13 AM PDT by paddles ("The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." Tacitus)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The F5/T38 was a very beautiful little plane. Nice to find out that it was also an effective one too.


14 posted on 08/08/2016 8:11:54 AM PDT by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: NonValueAdded
I think the closely related T-38 Talon is a beautiful aircraft. It was my dream to be flying one had I been born a few years earlier and the Vietnam war had not wound down, causing the USAF to empty the pilot pipeline. One is on display at KSC nearby the Space Mirror.


No problem, your dream can still come true, just send money...

http://www.thorntonaircraft.com/body/body.cfm?page_name=mil

15 posted on 08/08/2016 8:33:28 AM PDT by az_gila
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The Mig-28, of course.And now available on DCS.


16 posted on 08/08/2016 9:07:46 AM PDT by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: Celtic Conservative

That works with millions of fodder infantry

Not so well with a limited supply of trained skilled pilots


17 posted on 08/08/2016 9:11:34 AM PDT by wardaddy (black lives kill....and kill....and kill.....like no other race today senselessly)
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To: paddles

The local contract maintainers painted one of our F-5s in a robin’s egg blue cammo pattern and it was just plain invisible. I’m talking Klingon bird of prey, cloaking device on, inside of a mile. We had to go with a different pattern for safety.


18 posted on 08/08/2016 9:48:38 AM PDT by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: az_gila

Just wow!


19 posted on 08/08/2016 10:47:00 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("You can't fake good kids.")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Who made the SR-71 in the sixties and still holds records...HEH HEH


20 posted on 08/08/2016 11:07:36 AM PDT by hawg-farmer - FR..October 1998 (MECCA and Medina, the SNAKE HEAD..)
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