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Leave ‘Martyrdom’ to the Jihadists (NYT alert)
New York Times ^ | JULY 28, 2016 | PAUL VALLELY

Posted on 07/28/2016 6:29:20 PM PDT by reaganaut1

Some will react to that threat by unwittingly accepting the terrorists’ agenda, as the archbishop of Rouen appeared to do when he described the killing of Father Hamel as an “assassination” — as though a provincial priest would be a target. But others reject the Islamic State narrative. “This is not a war of religions,” said a Parisian churchgoer. “It’s not a Muslim who killed a Catholic. It is simply evil.”

Father Hamel may be a martyr in the eyes of the church, but his attackers are also martyrs in the eyes of jihadists. There is, of course, an egregious false equivalence between the two cases: One man is a pure victim, while the others were killers who contrived to die at the hands of French law enforcers.

We must strengthen our defenses against terrorism but we must resist the notion that a fundamental clash of civilizations is the issue. The real problem is the pathology of a perverse minority of extremists with distorted notions of holy war and martyrdom. Pope Francis was right to speak of the “absurd violence” of Father Hamel’s death and to describe the “senseless hatred” of the massacre in Nice.

Reciprocal talk of martyrdom is unhelpful. The impulse to canonize Father Hamel, however sincere and well intentioned, feeds the idea of retaliation — our martyr for yours — that gives the jihadists the war of religions they seek. As to sainthood, let history judge rather than us making it a proxy for a political response.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: france; jihad
To state the obvious:

A "provincial French priest" *was* a target. It *is* a war of religions, although the Muslim terrorists hate secularism as well as Christianity. It *was* a Muslim who killed a Catholic.

1 posted on 07/28/2016 6:29:21 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

Just another notch in the belt of 1400 yrs of Islam....


2 posted on 07/28/2016 6:31:27 PM PDT by Paladin2 (auto spelchk? BWAhaha2haaa.....I aint't likely fixin' nuttin'. Blame it on the Bossa Nova...)
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To: reaganaut1

Anything to not call it what it is. The left and some of the right are insane.


3 posted on 07/28/2016 6:33:47 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Fear is the mind killer.)
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To: reaganaut1

Leave Dhimmitude to the Slimes...


4 posted on 07/28/2016 6:35:42 PM PDT by Paladin2 (auto spelchk? BWAhaha2haaa.....I aint't likely fixin' nuttin'. Blame it on the Bossa Nova...)
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To: reaganaut1

The French, once again, are submitting. Please don’t call on the US to bail your ass out. You aren’t worth it allowing this to happen. My kids WILL NOT DIE for your foolishness. PERIOD!


5 posted on 07/28/2016 6:36:08 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (<<<<<<< he no longer IS my 'teddy bear'.)
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To: reaganaut1

Islam is NOT a religion. Just sayin’


6 posted on 07/28/2016 6:36:32 PM PDT by Paladin2 (auto spelchk? BWAhaha2haaa.....I aint't likely fixin' nuttin'. Blame it on the Bossa Nova...)
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To: reaganaut1

NYT keeps lowering the bar. It has lately become so foul, I wouldn’t use it for kindling if I were freezing to death.

(second thought, that would be the PERFECT thing to burn, if I ever found myself freezing to death!)


7 posted on 07/28/2016 6:37:59 PM PDT by heterosupremacist (("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." Thomas Jefferson))
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To: reaganaut1

This is not a war of religions,” said a Parisian churchgoer. “It’s not a Muslim who killed a Catholic. It is simply evil.”

That idiot Parisian must be a reader of the New York Slimes.


8 posted on 07/28/2016 6:39:35 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, obamca loves America)
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To: reaganaut1

>>>>>that gives the jihadists the war of religions they seek<<<<<

At this point, it just ain’t the jihadists.

Here’s the issue — If there aren’t enough healthy muzzies to restrain their own nutbars or if they aren’t willing to restrain their own nutbars, they are either inconsequential or they are accomplices. F-—k ‘em. All 1.4 Billion of ‘em. Maybe do like the russkies did with the tartars in the 1500’s — if they were shorter than a cart axle, they lived.


9 posted on 07/28/2016 6:48:36 PM PDT by L,TOWM (There is no longer a system to work within.)
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To: reaganaut1

The problem for the NYT is that war does not occur based on a consensus. You may not want a war, but if they do, then a war is happening. You can either have a war or a massacre...


10 posted on 07/28/2016 6:52:26 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: reaganaut1

Reciprocal talk of martydom is unhelpful? Listen you moron author. You do not set the tone or speech of 2000 years of martyrs of the faith. You do not set the tone or speech of the millions of Christian victims at the hands of 1400 years of Jihad. Christian martyrs are TRUE martyrs as this priest was. Islamic martyrs commit acts of violence and expect a reward for same. Millions believe this. So if that distinction causes you problems than you know nothing of truth and Christian faith.


11 posted on 07/28/2016 7:01:01 PM PDT by Lent
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To: reaganaut1
The impulse to canonize Father Hamel, however sincere and well intentioned, feeds the idea of retaliation — our martyr for yours — that gives the jihadists the war of religions they seek.

So, what does this idiot think can be accomplished by not fighting back or calling Islamist terrorism by what it is? At what point does this guy finally wake up and realize that failing to fight back is showing a fatal weakness that only encourages the jihadists to ramp up their campaign of terror?

12 posted on 07/28/2016 7:19:20 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I wonder how many interviews it took to get “It’s not a Muslim who killed a Catholic. It is simply evil.”, as an answer? On second thought the press there, like here, has these answers preprogrammed in their computers.

Refusal to recognize the truth is evil.


13 posted on 07/28/2016 7:54:05 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: reaganaut1
SMH!

Paul E. Vallely is a retired US Army Major General and senior military analyst for Fox News. He served in the Vietnam War and retired in 1993 as Deputy Commanding General, Pacific Command. In 2004, together with retired Air Force Lieutenant General Thomas McInerney, Vallely co-authored the book Endgame: The Blueprint for Victory in the War on Terror.

14 posted on 07/29/2016 3:22:19 AM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: Paladin2

Indeed, Suni islam requires one to submit to a political leader called caliph. The caliph does not tolerate Mohammed and Allah to be above himself.


15 posted on 08/04/2016 4:54:37 PM PDT by lavaroise (s)
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