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Turkey: The sick man of Europe, once again — Spengler
Google Hong Kong ^ | July 15, 2016 | David P. Goldman (Spengler)

Posted on 07/16/2016 9:13:28 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

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To: Mrs. Don-o
Not only are Turkish women refusing to have children; they are refusing to get married.

It's possible the decline in marriage is related to population age and to emigration. A low number of new marriages does indeed portend fewer children, as he said. However, I would be interested in knowing the number of women who marry vs. the total women available who could marry.

21 posted on 07/16/2016 10:28:37 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Do not call conspiracy all that this people call conspiracy, and do not fear what they fear.")
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That’s in the big cities, but I suspect in the countryside, there is a much higher birth rate, and those are the folks who support Erdogan.


22 posted on 07/16/2016 10:30:10 AM PDT by dfwgator
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He's comparing different areas of the country, not city vs. rural. The parts of the country - including Istanbul and Ankara - inhabited by ethnic Turks have low birthrates and vastly decreased marriage rates. The parts inhabited by ethnic Kurds have much higher birthrates.

This article does not show comparative figures for the total population of each ethnicity, unless it's in the charts that didn't appear.

23 posted on 07/16/2016 10:33:48 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Do not call conspiracy all that this people call conspiracy, and do not fear what they fear.")
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This is all about credit bubbles and demographics, and David P. Goldman (”Spengler”) is an expert in both. Plus he is an observant Orthodox Jew and strongly leans toward a Judeo-Christian view of individual and societal ethics -— which means I can at least comprehend where he’s coming from.


24 posted on 07/16/2016 10:56:50 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel P. Moynihan)
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To: Tax-chick
"I would be interested in knowing the number of women who marry vs. the total women available who could marry. "

A very pertinent question.

But why would population age and emigration skew upward in the demographically failing northwest (roughly, the Hellenic provinces) and skew downward in the demographically robust southwest (roughly Kurdish provinces)?

Or do they?

More info needed.

25 posted on 07/16/2016 11:00:55 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel P. Moynihan)
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"I would be interested in knowing the number of women who marry vs. the total women available who could marry. "

A very pertinent question.

But why would population age and emigration skew upward in the demographically failing northwest (roughly, the Hellenic provinces) and skew downward in the demographically robust southwest (roughly Kurdish provinces)?

Or do they?

More info needed.

26 posted on 07/16/2016 11:01:07 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel P. Moynihan)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Yes (or no), it’s not at all clear. Spengler associates the drop in birthrate with education of women, which would be higher in cities, in Turkish areas, and among the more secular. Kurds are more rural, have much less access to education (for either sex), and were typically more Islaminized.

Things like age distribution of the population and emigration are relevant, but we don’t have those numbers here. Maybe women aren’t getting married because the young men have emigrated. That’s certainly an issue in some countries, such as Guatemala and El Salvador.


27 posted on 07/16/2016 11:08:33 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Do not call conspiracy all that this people call conspiracy, and do not fear what they fear.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Natural Family unit is the conduit to the past and future. It is the ONLY MEANS of transmission of CULTURE/REALITY/TRUTH (Natural Law Theory/Age of Reason/US Constitution).

The biological family unit (one man/one woman) gives meaning, and dignity to all, and strength to individuals, understanding of Reality (truth/God’s Design of human beings) and embeds Free Will (thinking outside the box) and is the ONLY BASIC UNIT which embeds independence in children from “group-think” Prussian system of mass indoctrination (publik skooling). Government control of “education” creates slaves for the State ONLY. Skools run by government/States will only indoctrinate into their satanic religion of slavery/vice. (Socrates)

Destroying the Natural Family Unit is the design of Cultural Marxism (PC) established in the World and in America by 1930—John Dewey, the humanist, communist (Father of Modern “education” which became mass programming of irrationality (removal from Natural Law/ the natural family so irrationality could be embedded in young children (flipping worldview).

Gramsci/Adorno/Lukacs’ methodology was to hyper-sexualize (corrupt) the moral formation of children, embed irrational emotions (sexualize/fixate in Latency/Limbic area of the brain) by lies/misinforamtion to kill virtue formation. They remain weak and controlled by base emotions (vice) their entire lives (easily controlled). Without virtue formation, families dissolve—will not exist, children will be literally killed or given to the State to “educate”, and the civilization (culture) will collapse, and freedom of the individual will be non-existent. (That is where US is NOW). Turkey there 30 years ago.

The Natural Family is being attacked around the world-—concepts of male and female obliterated by control of Art/Culture, to destroy the Christian worldview and embed irrationality (inability to understand Reality). Turkey used to be the bastion of Christianity until muslim hordes created a tyranny to destroy all of Christian worldview—wipe it OFF of earth for the elite globalists who fund all the chaos and wars and make billions doing it.

USA is the only country which created a true “Justice” System (true freedom), which is equal for all with NO denial of Reality (roles of male/female—Natural Laws.) Natural Law is logic and Common Sense-—the “...Laws of Nature and nature’s God”—and is the foundation of American Jurisprudence.

USA WAS based on the only RATIONAL religion = Christianity, which created a true Justice system based on individual Natural Rights from God. All other religions/systems are collective/socialistic (unconstitutional) where there is always majority tyranny (democracy) with NO individual Natural Rights from God. Period. Without Christianity (Republic/Individualism), only tyrannies and socialism can exist, which is slavery of all individuals (Mind Control). State will control all information (what you think, the desires you have, etc., your perceptions of Reality where Slavery is Freedom and Vice is Virtue, because vice is just slavery/addiction creating slaves for the State system.)

Without virtue (Christian Ethics), there is no ability to be free. (Virtue is Wisdom of the Ages, Knowledge of History and REALITY-—not irrational Marxist utopias/trust in man———only Trust in God—and the Individual Natural Rights which only come from God and predate government.

With no children (no Christian Worldview of the Natural Family/male/female/child)—there is no future, no connection to the past Traditions/worldview. It is a culture of Death/tyranny of the State. With no transmission of the Wisdom of Western Civilization (Christianity, which created the minds of Newton/Tesla/Founders), there is NO possibility of Unity, cohesion, RATIONAL THOUGHT/REALITY, and Rule of Law (Higher Laws/God’s). Marxism is total irrationality (removal from Natural Law. So is islam where good and evil is whatever the State or High Priests (judges) say.

Culture of Death: nihilism—no children and sodomizing others is a Virtue—along with baby-sacrifice. Muslims embrace sodomy and pedophilia.. Just Satanism/Paganism and the promoting of irrational religions to the masses in a “Just” “Law” (LOL—totally unconstitutional) which will result in total debauchery and immoral masses, using others in diabolical, evil ways, which will lead to the Fall of Western Civ. Just like it did to Rome. Cheating, theft, no ability for trust and in economic enterprise, and only rule of barbarians, cartels, jackboots, until true Justice is established again: Christian Ethics only.


28 posted on 07/16/2016 11:32:27 AM PDT by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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bmfl


29 posted on 07/16/2016 12:42:18 PM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Here is a google search for “turkey coup staged”.http://bit.ly/29YekWQ The articles about how the coup was staged —are now proliferating from both the left and the right.


30 posted on 07/16/2016 9:58:18 PM PDT by ckilmer (q e)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Great article, and thanks for posting. Spengler is awfully good on the topic. This:

Iran, whose fertility rate fell from 7 children per female in 1979 to less than 1.8 today, has the fastest-aging population of any country in the world. Turkey has an average total fertility rate of 2.18, or just at replacement, but the split between ethnic Turks and ethnic Kurds will make Turkey’s present geographic configuration untenable.

I have to confess I was unaware that Iran's demographics have imploded like that, but it does explain some rather interesting behaviors on the part of the grey-bearded, paleolithic religious leadership. A combination of the obscene expense of exporting revolution and a dwindling productive middle class is going to put that country in a real bind in a decade, assuming they don't blow up the world by then.

Turkey has a particularly blemished record on the topic of dealing with sizable minorities - ask the Armenians - and so an ascendant Kurdish population must seem remarkably threatening, coupled with renewed demands for a separate Kurdistan and a military to back them up. Erdogan may have pretensions to being a new Sultan with the real risk of turning into the last one, and his country back into the Sick Man Of Europe to which Spengler alludes. History, as Twain is claimed to have said, doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes.

31 posted on 07/16/2016 10:20:35 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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32 posted on 07/16/2016 10:22:12 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Like their Iranian, Algerian and Tunisian counterparts, Turkish women reject the constraints of Muslim family life as soon as they obtain a high school education. The shock of sudden passage from traditional society into the modern world has produced the fastest-ever fall in fertility rates in the Muslim world. Iran, whose fertility rate fell from 7 children per female in 1979 to less than 1.8 today, has the fastest-aging population of any country in the world. Turkey has an average total fertility rate of 2.18,

The key to overcoming the demographic islamic threat. To combat islamic garbage, educate the women.

33 posted on 07/17/2016 7:15:45 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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