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To: HangUpNow
Well gee -- that's mighty bourgeoisie of you. Are you sure you want that kind of secret leaking out to Buffy and Skippy? At least Teddy fought institutional corruption.

That is another extremely relevant point. Yes, Teddy Roosevelt is known for interfering with the Crony Capitalism that had been going on since.... well.... since Lincoln.

The Robber Barons seemed to think they could influence the government in whatever way suited them. Rockefeller tried to negotiate through the back door with Teddy Roosevelt by sending "my man to negotiate with your man" but Teddy wasn't having any of it.

Post Civil War America was rampant with abuse by New England Robber Barons. The coal strikes and Unionization occurring in West Virginia was the consequence of the price monopoly that New York captains of industry had imposed on the Coal industry.

Again, where did they get such power? Why did it so heavily manifest itself after the Civil War?

Because the Civil War was where it began.

Today we are still paying for the tyranny, social, and economic aftermath of Lincoln's template of dictatorship and feral overreach, fake reasons for the CW, and subsequent routine shredding of the USCON by Wilson, FDR, LBJ, 0blah-blah, and yes, Dubya Bush.

And this is a point many people do not grasp when the topic of the "Civil War" comes up. We are still suffering from the long term consequences of that conflict to this very day.

Washington and New York still have an unholy alliance that pits the financial interests of the New England power brokers against the rest of the nation. This movement towards "Globalization" is an example of it.

547 posted on 07/12/2016 9:37:00 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Great arguments and observations, DL.

For all of Teddy's expansion of the feral gimmint, he is to be lauded for his trademark integrity of standing up TO bullying -- of Crony Capitalist 'Robber-Barons' and Money-Changers (to which Lincoln folded like a cheap rug, ushering the age of the Sell-Out, Wilson bent over into a pretzel, and our "co-Presidents" -- Clintons turned into an art-form.)

As you remind us, the record certainly indicts a post CW Union (specifically, vampires from the North, more specifically, New England's cadre of olde monied elites) of rampant profiteering and opportunistic crooks. Funny how they profited from the blood of the new immigrants -- drafted immediately so they could spill *their* blood instead of the wealthy New Englanders' sons who would be the beneficiaries.

Proponents of Lincoln's "Union" -- retained only by a mass suicide mission and coercion -- still shout from their ivory towers, boasting of a "moral mandate" of a war that was NEVER fought over "slavery."

Post Civil War America was rampant with abuse by New England Robber Barons. The coal strikes and Unionization occurring in West Virginia was the consequence of the price monopoly that New York captains of industry had imposed on the Coal industry.

Again, where did they get such power? Why did it so heavily manifest itself after the Civil War?

Because the Civil War was where it began.

Bears repeating and contemplation. I say this as born and bred in the US northeast, in the belly of the beast. It probably took a good 125 years the buck-tooth, redneck, un-educated, un-cultured Bible-Belted South to catch up, economically. ITMT, the North began worshiping Dewey, Humanism, and itself; the South's "in-sophisticates" remained "backward" remained worshipers of the Lord.

[T]his is a point many people do not grasp when the topic of the "Civil War" comes up. We are still suffering from the long term consequences of that conflict to this very day.

Amen. "Yankee" values took over socially as well as in Academia. Had the South seceded, one wonders how much the Confederacy would have turned out with its Christian-heavy ethics, education system and values? Instead the North mandated Dewey and its Humanist-based culture and values.

Another observation -- who has the US gummint and its military depend on mightily to fight every subsequent war? THE SOUTH. The irony is not lost on those of us for whom REAL history is pertinent.

Washington and New York still have an unholy alliance that pits the financial interests of the New England power brokers against the rest of the nation. This movement towards "Globalization" is an example of it.

Absolutely true. And well stated.

548 posted on 07/12/2016 11:18:01 AM PDT by HangUpNow
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To: DiogenesLamp
[Hangup]: Today we are still paying for the tyranny, social, and economic aftermath of Lincoln's template of dictatorship and feral overreach, fake reasons for the CW, and subsequent routine shredding of the USCON by Wilson, FDR, LBJ, 0blah-blah, and yes, Dubya Bush.

[DiogenesLamp]: And this is a point many people do not grasp when the topic of the "Civil War" comes up. We are still suffering from the long term consequences of that conflict to this very day.

Washington and New York still have an unholy alliance that pits the financial interests of the New England power brokers against the rest of the nation. This movement towards "Globalization" is an example of it.

The current day power brokers of whom you speak are more widespread than just New England. Back in Civil War times, they were also in New York and Pennsylvania in addition to New England.

Some New Englanders have very parochial attitudes. I went to college in Massachusetts with New Englanders who had never been west of the Hudson River and saw no reason to go. For them, Boston was the hub of the universe.

549 posted on 07/12/2016 12:13:14 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: DiogenesLamp; HangUpNow; x; rockrr
DiogenesLamp to HangUpNow: "That is another extremely relevant point.
Yes, Teddy Roosevelt is known for interfering with the Crony Capitalism that had been going on since.... well.... since Lincoln. "

Any suggestion that "crony capitalism" in America somehow started with Lincoln, or was illegally supported by him, is ludicrous to the max.
It only shows the absurd lengths which pro-Confederates will go in creating fantasies to support their nonsense.

632 posted on 07/17/2016 7:38:02 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: DiogenesLamp; HangUpNow
DiogenesLamp: "Washington and New York still have an unholy alliance that pits the financial interests of the New England power brokers against the rest of the nation...."

So how is that DiogenesLamp doesn't even know the difference between New York and New England?
Do you fantasize that New Yorkers take orders from New England?
Sorry, but you're just babbling nonsense and really should stop making your own abysmal ignorance the chief subject of discussion here.

633 posted on 07/17/2016 7:46:46 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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